Are Solid State Batteries The Future Of Tesla?

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Are Solid State Batteries The Future Of Tesla?

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Great video. Sometimes when you wait for a perfect solution, you will waste so much time and risk that a perfect solution may not come. There are so many promises on a solid state battery, but we have yet to see it in real production. We can't wait for that. We need more EV at more affordable price on the current lithium ion batteries.

mytube
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Yep. We've got to focus on scaling and bringing down the price of EVs with Li-Ion batteries. We can't wait for breakthroughs that Toyota may or may not deliver in 5 years... or 10 years, if it is still in existence by then.

ssilversgs
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Toyota is shooting for battery life that still exceeds 80% before the wheels fall off.

StormyDog
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Question (will there even be a "market" for hybrid vehicles in the future)? OK, that is a valid question. I turn it up a notch (will hybrid vehicles even be "legal" in the future)? Already no ICE cars will be sold in California, and the rest of the world will follow soon.
Your (house on fire), bring a fire extinguisher. Not a plan for a better fire extinguisher. This analogy was EXCELLENT. Well done.

vangildermichael
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Editing boo-boo at 14:12.🤣 First I've ever noticed with one of your videos. Keep up the great work!

tracyrreed
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Solid-state battery research is putting the cart before the horse (or the car after the battery, I suppose). We should just transition completely to fully-electric tech, and then we can work on competitively optimizing the mechanics of that tech.

curtiswfranks
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Toyota might stand a chance if they could build an EV that keeps the wheels attached.

brian
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Electrolytes are more commonly salts, not acid. Lead Acid batteries are one of the few commonly used battery chemistries that use Acid for the electrolyte. NiCd, NiMh, Li-ion, LFP, and most other rechargeable batteries use bases (alkaline salts) and not acids.

ChadCourtneyTAZ
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If you have ever done serious engineering, there are two main models of development, iterative and waterfall. Waterfall is really just reserved for a one off wonder like the JWST, which they fooled around with for decades, went way crazy over-budget, and at any point in time you may hear the news break that the instrument broke or got hit by a large space rock and they can't make it work again and so is space junk floating out there somewhere. The constraint to iterative was when they started JWST development, rocket launches were crazy expensive and so they focused on what they could do with a single rocket launch. The hope is you get some amazing stuff out of that one off wonder, which is why you bother with waterfall development at all.

Most everything else is iterative or at least should be. A key point of this is you don't wait around for some distant technology to make your one off wonder because what you actually need to do is build many of these on an continual basis. So instead you look for what are the most key things you can quickly get together for an iteration and you design and make it. As time goes on, you revise and improve (iterate) your designs and technologies used. It is just with iterative development you have discrete phases of development and in general structure it to be effective.

The key thing for a company's success with iterative development is you have an effective strategy to make a product and improve it over time to stay competitive or even leave the competition in the dust. If you have no product, then you have no income. If your development and production is disorganized, then you inefficiently make a crap product and lose money and in the auto-industry in particular get sued and lose even more money.

Another way to put this is a successful EV is not something years away. The competition has been rolling EVs off of the assembly line for many years now successfully. So this whole spiel of needing some technological breakthrough is a myth. What is needed is the company to have its act together and have something rolling off of the assembly line because all of the technology is there to do it successfully as a for profit business. Then the company gets revenue and experience to tell them what they need to do for the next iteration while providing money to develop that next iteration. Notice this is completely different than what Toyota is saying while they apply this iterative model to their ICE powered cars, which goes to show the hidden agenda.

ChaJ
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Fusion energy promised as vast, cheap and limitless, has been “just around the corner” for the last 50 years! Solid state batteries sound equally wonderful and when they show up I’ll gladly transition but I certainly wouldn’t delay a decision to purchase an EV today.

GarySBCA
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love the last part the fire extinguisher

davidyang
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The biggest problem with the current generation of lithium-ion batteries is that they use lithium, cobalt and nickel. If Elon can remove all these metals and keep the batteries competitive on the market I will trust this full EV future, until then the EV market will not be viable at the scale it needs to be to replace the traditional combustion engine car. Also, hybrids make a lot more sense in poorer countries because they don't have the electrical infrastructure to support the EV market.

ANGELRA
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When they, a couple of years ago, came out with the solid state battery they said.... At LEAST 5 years of developing and at least 5 years of manufacturing developing, before the FIRST commercial battery would hit the market.

goltzhar
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Good analysis & I basically agree with you. By the time it matters, maybe A.I. will be able to figure out how to make solid state batteries as good as, if not better, than the lithium-ion batteries we have today.

digvidguy
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Great informative vlog some points to add to the conversation. My comment’s are from the UK… firstly, unless you own a Tesla there is no infrastructure of rapid charger’s so everyone is going down the hybrid route. My friend has a Porsche Tacan with a summer range of 225 mile and winter 180 miles, he won’t take it long trips unless he is guaranteed a charge point like a hotel. My Lexus hybrid delivers 52 mpg when the engine is running, otherwise she is in EV mode which can be forced when in low emission zones, with cost of petrol reducing and cost of electricity increasing it’s cheaper to run a hybrid than an EV. Toyota are in a world market and if the supercharger infrastructure in the UK is poor for non Tesla EV owners consider mainland Europe. Another point is Toyota are slowly iterating the hybrid technology with smaller lighter efficient engines: they believe the engine should be like an oven, cold to the touch with all the heat converted to electricity. This strategy will give Toyota the first self charging EV when petrol is replaced with synthetic petrol currently being developed by formula one. Finally, if you order a model 3 long range Tesla today delivery is March 2023. In the UK the treasury tax the motorist disproportionately to balance the books.

paulnosworthy
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It's great that there are companies investing in solid state batteries, they will likely be the future, and it doesn't detract anything at all from the current year beacuse we have other companies betting on Li-io batteries, putting cars out there. If solid state somehow against all odds proves to be impossible to mass produce efficiently, too bad for Toyota, but you are not Toyota, you can go out right now and buy a Tesla, a VolksWagen, a BYD or any other EV you desire, Toyota investing in solid state won't affect you at all.

Imagine if Li-io proves to be unsustainable, we will be very happy someone invested in solid state, and we don't have to start from scratch and wait 15 years right now. Same with Fusion, we will be happy we did those 50 years of research when they start coming online. The lipstick market in the US brings in more money than what is spent on either Fusion or solid state, I think we can afford to keep research going.

Yattayatta
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I think Quantum Scape should be looked at in the solid state market, I'm thinking 2024-2025 we should start seeing prototypes. Also believe the more affordable vehicles will be using Sodium Ion in the future around the same timelines... here's to hoping...

BIMRFRK
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Hopefully, Tesla is keeping its options open on solid state batteries, if for no other reason than addressing the safety aspect. Leaving the development of this type of battery will allow patents from other companies, preventing their use in Tesla cars for decades, this could undermine Tesla's progress.

thestraffords
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You didn’t address the issues much. What is causing the slow development. Seems mass production is hard but why. I’ve heard a few things but wondered. I think Elon has said it will fail??

rlshultz
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Toyota, currently lagging far behind in the development of EVs, seems to have embraced a different strategy: place a large bet on what MIGHT be a transformational battery technology. If they make break-through discoveries and tie it all up in patents and/or copyrights, other EV manufacturers could be forced to license that technology. This could generate revenues to Toyota whether they produce the vehicles or not. Bill Gates did something similar and it worked out pretty well.

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