Did they verify the Shroud of Turin is ancient?

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When the zealot challenges the rational, it is "righteous", but when the rational challenges the zealot it is "blasphemy".

ThatEvilGnome
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Damn, I can't believe Mel Gibson and Joe Rogan were wrong about something. This has shaken me to my core.

pdieraue
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I can hear Danny Glovers line from Lethal Weapon. "Mel, we're getting too old for this s***."

AntinAchtymichuk
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When it's a matter of dogma, people will happily accept any "proof" that supports their dogmatism and will willingly skip any evidence that "proof" is a fraud. Because of dogmatism.

aedh
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Who TF would take anything Mel Gibson says seriously?

gklgspy
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That 2022 article is a great example of begging the question. It assumes their conclusion is true as part of their argument.

They want to prove their dating method works, so they analyze the Shroud of Turin with it. But there’s no way to verify if the analysis they get back is accurate, since we don’t know for certain if the Shroud existed prior to 1300. So the only way to say the dating method works is if you first presume the Shroud is authentic. The dating method is used to prove the Shroud is real, but also, the Shroud is used to prove the dating method works.

SwansingerLJG
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The first red flag was seeing Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson.

AMoniqueOcampo
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Mel Gibson was my first celebrity crush, and I'm not sure there's anything more embarrassing in my life.

darthbek
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The Bishop of Troyes specifically says it’s a forgery, right around the time of its first appearance in history and in line with the carbon dating results.

Crazies: Obviously this is ancient.

NoOne-gcot
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9:00 "I don't know if it's real or not"
Finally Mel speaks the truth.

DentArthurDent
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The hairstyle of a Jewish man from the first century... and the hairstyle of a couple hundred thousand men and women at Woodstock in 1969. And the hairstyle of a few billion other people before, between and since.

damien
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One objection that I never see made, and that I think should be made, is that the image does not match the image one would expect to find created by a body wrapped in a shroud (which would have encircled the body) or even draped across the body (which would have distorted the face). The image is that of a rigid photographic plate suspended above, and below the body.

cygnusustus
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I find it hilarious that Jesus was allegedly 6 feet tall.
Did he also like long walks on the beach too, Mel? 😂

AA-mmwu
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I know someone who lost their job over the "Virgin Mary" water stain in Tampa/Clearwater FL back in 1996. She went there to camp out and worship bc she believed it was a "miracle". She was fired for calling in sick for a week & then getting spotted on the news by her boss. 😅
People still go there to pray 30 years later. They argue that bc it "appeared" just before Christmas & it looks a lot like the way people who have never seen Mary painted her in the 15th century, it has to be a manifestation from God! If you've never seen it you should Google it. My point is once they latch on to a "miracle" that "proves" what they believe, you can't explain to them how water splatter patterns are unique & that pattern is in line with every other water pattern & no magic had to be involved to create it - none of that matters. The shroud is more complicated than the water stain but watching Mel reminded me so much of that lady trying to explain why she believed the water stain was a miracle.

ginnyp
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So the theory is that a man was crucified and wrapped in an incredibly rare and expensive piece of linen, which would have been incredibly unusual since people who were crucified at the time were left on the crosses as a warning to others to obey the authorities. Or the bodies were disposed of in a mass grave. But the body was carefully wrapped in this linen and after being dead for a couple days this man came back to life and unwrapped himself and left the guarded tomb (again there is no logic to a crucified man being put in an expensive tomb and then for it to be guarded). And then someone had the warewithal to go collect this piece of linen and properly store it and care for it for over 1, 300 years and wisely move it to a Christian church in northern France. Seems completely reasonable.

jonathanwilliams
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I just read that Gibson was appearing on Rogan's show... while his house was burning down?

"Oh Lord, why will you not send us a sign?"

StefanTravis
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I have been a physicist for over 50 years. I had dinner once with one of the physicists who did the Carbon 14 measurements on the Shroud of Turin. They treated it as any other sample and found it was medieval. They quoted uncertainties of the measurements, and the possible range does not allow for a first century date. Over my career, I have always felt that if you have a strong preference for the outcome of an experiment, you shouldn't be doing it. You have to want to learn what the experiment is telling you more than to get a specific outcome.

hm
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Doesn’t the Bible itself refute the shroud of Turin? I distinctly remember reading that Jesus was wrapped in strips of linen…strips being plural? Not one big body length single strip?

Pharmfresh
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Because why on Earth would they test their controversial new dating technique on, say, an object of indisputably known age?

kallisto
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Even back when I was still a Christian, I always thought it was obvious the Shroud was a fake.

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