Vision doesn't matter

[michaelwallace]

This is more true with higher tier play. In my elo, we all have object permanence issues and forget enemies exist when we can't see them.

[nowanknows]

Also, the amount of vision you need decreases with higher play. Higher mmr players have better deduction skills and can know where someone can be without needing vision

[alexdenslow]

The amount of times my friends will go die to drop a ward in a spot where we don’t need vision is absolutely astounding.

[nicholashinderer]

I feel like vision value kinda changes based on champ. If im Zoe mid, i really like to have vision to hit things. If im Fiora top, i only need to count heads on the minimap, and i can usually deduce who is where, while im in the side🤷

[dragomaster]

I definitely agree. As you gain more experience and knowledge playing League, vision becomes less helpful.

However, in solo queue where there is not much communication, I think vision is still king for things like setting vision around dragon for a soul fight or top side for a baron rotation or mid push. It helps to have vision in bushes too so you can keep a fight going rather than losing vision of an enemy in a bush where they have an opportunity to outplay you.

[thwall]

beryl and his 2 wards per back… hell yea brother

[Linkingx]

yes and thats why buying 20 Pink Wards per game is just gold burning or melting?.

[samurai_]

i lowkey recommend learning some basic chess to learn to visualize future game states, its helped me more than i thought as someone who grew up playing chess

[justmonika]

That's exactly what I tell my friends when we play, but it has no effect.
3/4 years ago I realised that explaining and talking isn't all that effective when dealing with League players. If you want them to start doing something you need to show them in their games/replays what they're doing wrong and what can be done better.

[mdenryu]

You said something all players should have understanding of by now lol.

[miisaj]

It's a weird example when you could be taking soul and 2 people of the enemy team are topside jungle. Vision is good because you can tell where people are and where they aren't. It's doubly effective.

[andyhuynh]

Same reason why people can play some games knowing a jungler's entire pathing for the first 10min.

If you know clear speed, lane matchups, and stuff. There's a high chance you know where they'll path to.

Also counting their CS so you know which camps they did.

[hv]

Who is going to tell LS that the most important objective of the game is topside and having control over it in time is extremely useful?

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Vision does matter

How do you play the game if you are blind?

[ililllillillilliil]

Loool I remember watching this gay guy years ago can’t believe he is still playing league hahaha

[brisankatarafder]

in more simpler words if you are doing drake just focus on bot side jungle where you think vision is needed don't waste wards on top side

[dijonvon]

LS loves to have these oversimplified hot takes, because he knows it's good engagement bait... I wish he was a bit more focused on giving good/reasonable takes, rather than controversial ones.

[ugandafitmor]

me when I'm blind and delusional:

[jackinbox]

I'm not gonna lie, LS absolutely is delusional about half of his opinions. "Let's freeze at 35 minutes" yeah ok buddy, let's just stay off the map for 5 minutes and see how that works out for us.

[wilullivan]

I disagree. Having vision in enemy topside jungle can help you see if someone isint around the drake so you can confidently start it with number advantage.