Why Jacob Arminius disagreed with John Calvin #Calvinism #Arminianism #predestination #Christianity

Calvin and Arminius were both genuine believers seeking to be faithful to Scripture.

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Charles Simeon’s (Calvinist) conversation with John Wesley (Arminian)

It is instructive in this connection to ponder Charles Simeon’s account of his conversation with John Wesley on December 10, 1784 (the date is given in Wesley’s journal):

Charles Simeon: “Sir, I understand that you are called an Arminian; and I have been sometimes called a Calvinist; and therefore I suppose we are to draw daggers. But before I consent to begin the combat, with your permission I will ask you a few questions.… Pray, Sir, do you feel yourself a depraved creature, so depraved that you would never have thought of turning to God, if God had not first put it into your heart?”
John Wesley: “Yes, ” says the veteran, “I do indeed.”

Charles Simeon: “And do you utterly despair of recommending yourself to God by anything you can do; and look for salvation solely through the blood and righteousness of Christ?”
John Wesley: “Yes, solely through Christ.”

Charles Simeon: “But, Sir, supposing you were at first saved by Christ, are you not somehow or other to save yourself afterwards by your own works?”
John Wesley: “No, I must be saved by Christ from first to last.”

Charles Simeon: “Allowing, then, that you were first turned by the grace of God, are you not in some way or other to keep yourself by your own power?”
John Wesley: “No.”

Charles Simeon: “What, then, are you to be upheld every hour and every moment by God, as much as an infant in its mother’s arms?”
John Wesley: “Yes, altogether.”

Charles Simeon: “And is all your hope in the grace and mercy of God to preserve you unto his heavenly kingdom?”
John Wesley: “Yes, I have no hope but in him.”

Charles Simeon: “Then, Sir, with your leave I will put up my dagger again; for this is all my Calvinism; this is my election, my justification by faith, my final perseverance: it is in substance all that I hold, and as I hold it; and therefore, if you please, instead of searching out terms and phrases to be a ground of contention between us, we will cordially unite in those things wherein we agree.

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Our human nature is Armininiast. God is sovereign he chooses
Our finite brain experiences life as a choice, we give all glory to God as the creation not the creator.

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It is true that not all will be saved by God. God will saved only His few elect..
If God will save all people why are there very few that are saved.. Jesus Himself said that few will be save..

Don't give me a reason
because they will not believe.. Is man's will stronger than God's will?

If God wills you to be saved, Can your will not to be saved, stronger than God's will to save you?

Those people that cannot be saved are children of the devil..
Example of them can be found in John 8:44 where
Jesus said :
YOU belong to your FATHER the DEVIL, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."