Why Is It Impossible To Make A Good Fantastic Four Movie?

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The Fantastic Four has been a long sought after movie franchise that has never quite hit the mark. After several attempts at bringing the Marvel Family to the big screen, no one seems to have understood the source material and what makes the Fantastic Four so special. The series reinvented the wheel for Marvel Comics, can Marvel Studios actually produce a film that will reinvent the superhero movie?

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Written by Dave Baker
Edited by Brian Nappi

[hunterkiller]

A family dynamic in Superhero films is possible. Look at Incredibles and Guardians of the Galaxy.

[darthtace]

It should also be added that their most important villain, Dr. Doom, is remarkably difficult to sell in film. Sorcerer Supreme level mystical arts, ultra-genius level scientific mind arguably superior to Reed, master martial artist on the level of Taskmaster, and supreme leader of a country. He's utterly absurd, and any attempt to play him anything but straight with all those characteristics will fall flat. Dr. Doom has to be played with earnestness and utter sincerity in his convictions. Victor believes, KNOWS, that his way is best for the human race. And, sometimes, it seems like he might be right. He's Marvel's Lex Luthor, but far more complex. He wants to bring paradise to Earth, the same way that he did to Latveria. He's noble, cultured, and has the willpower to push through any difficulty. In another story, with different goals, he'd be the perfect hero. And in some stories, he is.

Trying to do that in a movie is... well, you can imagine it. Selling that kind of character to Hollywood executives is impossible. "What's his weakness?" "The man has an ego that, were it given physical form, would likely collapse into a black hole, except he'd keep it from doing so through raw willpower." I'd compare Dr. Doom to Death Note. The idea is so utterly stupid, completely absurd, that it should never work. But by committing to an idea fully, and exploring it completely, any idea can be utterly engrossing. But that level of commitment doesn't exist in Hollywood, because that requires faith. And getting a Hollywood studio/producer to have faith in anything requires either a madman, or a truly passionate director.

[jayngb]

It’s not impossible. Ever seen Incredibles?

[Roulette_Films]

Feel like Gunn would have been a solid choice for Fantastic Four. Both of his big hero movies have focused on found family, it’s clearly something he knows how to do well. However I’d say he needs a partner as the GotG / Squad humor wouldn’t be ideal for the Four and he can get too carried away with that tone at times.

[Better_Call_Bulba-Saur]

I really liked the F4 with Chris Evans. I've rewatched it as an adult and I still like it. As far as comic book movies were back then, it's easily one of the better ones.

[CommanderCheapSkate]

I'm sure the MCU could do it. If they can make Ant Man cool, they can definitely do Fantastic Four!

[StellarAvenger]

The 2004 film almost nailed the FF with the family aspect, but butchered Doom. They played up the celebrity angle a bit too much.

[DIAC]

There should have been a nod to The Incredibles because that was the best version of a Fantastic 4-esque story we’ve ever seen in cinema. Everything the films got wrong, Brad Bird got right.

[packers]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to make a F4 movie, and we do have one. It's called the Incredibles. The issue is that Fox didn't care about making a F4 film, but rather a quick cash buck to keep the rights from going back to Marvel. Now with the buyout, I'm a bit excited to see how the F4 film will do

[charlespuruncajas]

The Fantastic Four should not be an average “superhero movie” kinda the X-Men or Avengers, but mostly an adventure story (kinda Lost in Space) with the family dynamics being the priority

[CouchCit]

The answer is simple, especially in today's world of entertainment: Fantastic Four should be a show, not a movie.
It's too hard to do the team and a villain like Dr. Doom justice in feature length movies; their characters and chemistry is better served depicted over the span of a seasonal show and Disney+ could really do it right with the proper creative team.
Also I'm of the opinion that a FF show or movie would be better as a period piece, like if it took place in the 60's or 70's. FF is a bit outdated conceptually, so return them back to a simpler time setting.

[mcurran]

The reason why the last few F4 movies failed was due to Fox hiring the wrong director's for the job. Now that Marvel have the rights again here's hoping Jon Watts will finally give us the proper F4 movie we fans rightfully deserved.

[cwtrain]

"This was truly a huge step forward." cut against Reed Richards stretching to take a huge step was an editing chef's kiss. It's the little things.

[Lanier]

I never got the total hatred of the Tim story movies. They both are fairly decent solid movies that are entertaining enough. Far from perfect, they could have done better. But they could have done worse, and they have. I agree that the Trank version was complete crap, the the Tim story ones were more solid and entertaining then people give them credit for.

[bctalicorn]

There's a lot of blame being put on Trank himself, when actually the first culprit we should be looking at is Fox's studio interference with the project. Barely any of his original ideas were left in the film because they had to constantly reshoot and replace entire sections of the movie to appease the studio mandates. He was confident in his vision for the movie, but he said he was ashamed by the version that ended up being released, because it wasn't his film and he knew fans wouldn't be happy with it.

[Paradox-esbl]

"Blood is thicker" even though half of them aren't related. It'd be weird if Sue was related to Reed, since they're married. Ben isn't related at all. Only Sue and Johnny are related. I think it's actually more about how CHOSEN family is what matters most. They chose to be a family and pretty much always stick together and have each other's backs, at least when it matters most. (Of course from time to time they've done a story where Johnny tries going off on his own or whatever but he always comes back)

[chezpizza]

As i always said the Fantastic four would better as a TV series. The Tim Story films were "fine" cause they captured the characters correctly (these characters were made in the 60s) but as you said they are a family drama so character development needs to be done slowly with these characters. As a series the MCU could use them better as a vehicle to showcase new universes, time times and explore the marvel universe similar to the way they have always expanded the comics.

[HowardTheDucksWong]

Having literally just rewatched both of the TIm Story films recently, I do think as films they are very fun and hold up pretty well. The chemistry between the team is fantastic but yeah Doom is absolutely terrible and his costume actually gets worse in the sequel and they definitely do fail to explore the crazier aspects of the story unfortunately.

[doing_aok]

i've seen a lot of people say a F4 movie should start after their adventures/origin. Kind of like how we haven't seen Tom Holland get bit by the spider and uncle ben die etc. Just jump in and bring the audience along for the ride.

[tangroro]

The bridge scene in the 1st Fantastic 4 movie is so underrated, I'm specifically talking about the scene where the Thing tried to pick up his fiancée’s ring, that's still one of the most well done scene in comic book movies history
It's basically the Sandman transformation scene but better, at least that's a villain, and he did eventually picked up his daughter's photo, the Thing never managed to pick it up, and he's a good guy who got turned into this monster due to an accident