Clarifying Compatibilism

In this video, we look into the Compatibilism/Incompatibilism debate, and how accepting compatibilism affects one's view of Foreknowledge.

[rdabdao]

AMAZING content. Short, but really clear. Perfect for those who want to share these topics.

[Nickesponja]

So in divine determinism, does God know what actions will he himself take in the future? If so, does God himself have free will in these views?

[HonestlyAtheist]

Hmm.

I might nit-pick that you make it seem like all free will proponents must be theists, which I don't believe is true, but other than that I have nothing to argue with on this one. (I'm shocked too!)

Great stuff, keep it up.

[quad]

Couldn't Molinism be considered a type of compatibilism? Because the antecedant condition of God actualizing this particular world entails that only one particular future is accessible to us. (Otherwise, we'd have the power to change God's foreknowledge in the past.)

[fuzxnil]

What about people who choose 3rd option (I'd call them "doesnt matter" people), who are convinced that world is non deterministic at least in some parts, making the whole distinction pointless?

[tfwiii]

These are all theistic perspectives. Which I appreciate is the focus of your channel. However, it would be quite nice if you either explicitly stated the implied premise (the existence of some form of magic sky fairy) in the video, for those of us who are not familiar with your oeuvre; or discuss non-theistic perspectives.

[bingokemski]

If our universe is Compatibilist, how come God determines all things including their purpose? How do humans have free will if they can't choose anything and their purpose is determined?

[kylexinye]

I like Pereboom's way of defining it. It's simple and gets at the heart of what the proponent of free action is looking for:

We have free will iff we are morally responsible for our actions in the basic desert sense.

Also the compatibalist isn't committed to determinism being true, they need merely be committed to the fact that if it *were* true then we would have free will. I currently consider myself something of a compatibalist, but I also think that human action is indeterministic and that thereby determinism is false.

[doggoslayer]

Can you hold to compatibilism and still use the free will defence?

(Btw good stuff)

[eriste]

Just because you say the state of the rules are deterministic doesn’t make it free will compatible. You are in essence passing the buck. But if you work backwards… Man has free will, but is covered by all natural and spiritual rules, which are deterministic. Those deterministic rules were determined by God. Therefore, God is determining all of man’s actions. If God makes an existence of reality where because of the rules he determines you will do xyz it is still deterministic.

[ivanoliveira]

What do you call the theory that states that God knows every single counterfactual for every single possible or impossible junction, but doesn't know which choice will be made in each junction? It's what I personally believe, but idk if that makes me a Heretic :(

[jochemschaab]

The bible seems to think it is compatible. Have no clue how but it is apperently not a contradiction in Gods mind so I'll just stick with it.

[krzyszwojciech]

When it comes to defining free will, exactly because there are so many opinions, I usually ask a person what they think they are free from at the given moment or always:
- some substantial obstacles
- another human's coercion / peer pressure
- other spiritual beings' coercion
- determinism
- indeterminism (in a sense of some randomness in underlying reality; simply because something partially random emerges into choices, doesn't mean you have some significant freedom; many might say they re free from determinism and indeterminism both, so from physicalism)
- God's will
- God's foreknowledge

...and so on.
Each person should be able to answer for each item on the list: yes, I'm free from that at the moment/sometimes/always. No, I'm not free from that at the moment/at times/ever. I don't know.

Because the will itself is self-evident, but what underlies it is quite opaque, yet the evidence shows many discernible factors _can_ in fact influence it while philosophical or theological reasoning may lead to some conclusions as well.

edit: Also, Molinism looks as fatalistic as determinism to me still...

[PhilosophywithProfessorParsons]

“Incompatibilism” is not at all synonymous with “libertarianism.” Hard determinists are also incompatibilists, but no hard determinists are libertarians.

[solas]

Hard determinism is also incompatiblism.

[DMilbury]

Freewill + determinism = blatant contradiction

[zsoltnagy]

Ahhh, wow!
This video confuses the two notions "compatibilism" and "incompatibilism".
Compatibilism is about Libertarianism being compatible with determinism including "Open Theism", "Simple Foreknowledge" and "Molinism".
Incompatibilism is rejecting Libertarianism and it is about "Divine Determinism".
Not the other way around.
@Apologetics Squared please correct this or at least acknowledge this error in some way or the other.

[ShouVertica]

Compatibalism is just determinism but being nice to people who believe in free will.

[jesuschristiskingofkingslo]

God knows the end from the beginning hence incompatiblism utterly destroyed 🙄