Greg Doucette Manipulates His Way Out of Another One

Timestamps by Jax:
0:00 Intro
0:53 Thesis of Greg’s response
1:11 What Leo will be commenting on
1:47 Greg on why Leo is “causing drama”
2:43 Leo on commenting on intelligence to claim validity/ Manufacturing consent by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky/ Influence by Robert B. Cialdini
4:51 Leo on gaining subscribers due to commenting on Greg Doucette
5:35 Leo on jealousy and envy
6:54 Leo on Greg Doucette and talking about other people
8:00 Greg claiming that Leo is playing a role on youtube/ Leo’s response
9:20 Greg’s on Leo in the Biobros video/ Leo’s opinion on Greg
11:12 When Leo stopped watching Greg’s videos
12:47 Leo on his OCD
13:40 Leo on putting down other people
14:02 Greg on Leo’s comment
15:28 Leo on studiousness vs wanting to learn/ Educational background vs good content
18:11 Leo on Greg misunderstanding his statement regarding health and body fat
19:01 AMP kinase and senescence cells/ High protein diets and aging/ Valter Longo on protein consumption and longevity
23:06 Greg on Leo’s comment continued/ Leo on objectives and failure
25:48 Why Leo got into making health videos
28:36 Leo on public personas vs who you are in private
28:53 Greg claiming that Leo lied/ Leo’s response
30:03 Why Leo thought Greg snitched/ Leo on snitching
34:07 Leo on believing Greg lied about his doses
34:53 Leo on the “cancer cookbook”
36:00 Leo on Derek standing up for Greg/ Why Leo can’t stand Greg
38:10 Leo on “self maximizing”
39:31 Derek popularizing Turkesterone
44:31 Greg responding to Leo about making a Turkesterone product
46:31 Commodities vs new products
50:57 Greg on mentioning Derek regarding Turkesterone/ Why Leo sees this as a con
55:01 Greg on opinions vs claims/ Leo on the ethics of using Derek’s idea for-profit and manipulative language
57:31 How Greg believes Leo formed his opinion of Greg vs How Leo formed his opinion of Greg
59:18 Greg responding to Leo’s video on Vitamins A and E causing cancer
1:00:54 Leo on being smart vs being curious
1:01:45 Leo on second chances and really changing
1:03:38 Leo on each person’s personal “sin” predispositions
1:05:20 Leo on cheating in tested events
1:10:50 Why Leo made this video/ Leo’s motivation in making these videos

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[LeoandLongevity]

43:54 is key evidence of Doucette’s lies, from himself. Don’t miss that point, or the one reached at the end of the video.

Doucette first says competition helps sales: the anabolic cookbook competitor helped him, he’s helping Derek, and then he shows his correspondence with an academic referencing 3 ways to increase the bioavailability of turk. One is Derek’s, the extremely simple/easy to source pepper one is Doucette’s, and then he BLACKS OUT the third one.

Why, if competition is good for your business, Doucette? Don’t want someone else to do to you what you did to Derek?

-Correction: Doucette began planning for manufacturing several months after Derek’s launch. Also, when he released his product while Derek was out of stock of his bioavailability enhancement system, and Greg used the more available (cheaper?) pepper based additive, Greg also undercut Derek in price when he launched the product! (Added by request of subscribers).

-Derek was touching his neck during the podcast because he has been suffering of neck discomfort for months. Not because he was uncomfortable with the topics discussed.

-Friends, if you'd like more trustworthy & less commercial sources of informative content, check out:

-The above 2 channels, like mine, include detailed citations.
-The rest don’t, but Jerry Brainum cites his monthly newsletter (costs like $10), Chris Masterjon cites papers but less comprehensively, and NutritionFacts.Org cites papers relevant to videos but again less comprehensively.
(note, Geoffrey has great coverage on Doucette)

[sorousha.s]

The worst thing greg does is he twist people's words to prove he is right.
I've seen it multiple times and it is disgusting.

[EddieLiftsFX]

I actually watched 99% of the video through out a few days and brother, you’re saying “ I didn’t lie I may has said factual inaccuracies “ dude you’re arguing semantics
your pointing out how his diet model is too much protein and that causes celular aging but you fail to mention at what dose that happens at and you don’t mention how Greg says COUNTLESS times he recommends no more than 1 gram per pound of body weight. And even LESS if you’re eating a high carb diet. Lol those are just a few points you’re arguing that don’t make sense and are missing context .
Millions of people start their own pre workout
So what’s the difference between him starting his own turk vs his own pre workout ? Lol
Sounds like you never liked him from the beginning and are looking for ANYTHING to jab at him. Love your content my brother either way

[Sam-vkxd]

Can’t wait for Greg’s response.

The back and forth is hilarious 😆

[nerminkurtic]

I love the contrast in argument styles:
-Leo: logical, rational and articulate
-Greg: screaming

[Rickrealdeal]

jason bhala is the godfather of yt fitness drama and standoffs

[matthewcochran]

Leo this is my take as someone who used to watch gregs channel and no longer does. His information is directed at a different audience than yours. He is focused on helping the average american lose weight to improve their health, whereas u focus on helping ppl that are already at a healthy body fat percentage improve their quality of life or longevity. While both of you are fitness/health influencers, i think its important to note the different in audience. As always love the content keep it up!!

[Dansal]

I’m not a huge fan of Greg’s, but it does seem that a number of your “explanations” to the things you’ve said about him were based off of poor information (For example “Greg snitching”) and faulty assumptions (you repeatedly said throughout the video “I don’t have all the information and could be wrong”).

Additionally, to be fair, you can make the same critique of 90% of the “fitness/diet” advice on YouTube that you did of Greg and his cookbook. For instance, keto, carnivore, and IF diets—all of which are wildly popular and promoted by well known people don’t align with your view of what’s “healthy.” So why not make videos criticizing them as well?

As some other commenters have already mentioned, Greg’s cookbook seems to be primarily marketed to unhealthy and overweight individuals looking for a fairly simple and sustainable diet. So while his cookbook isn’t created for ultimate and optimal health it is quite a step up from being 300lbs eating McDonald’s everyday.

If I can be completely honest I think both you and Greg are cherry-picking and creating straw-man arguments about each other. It’s like watching 4th graders argue on the playground over a girl they both like (in your guys case it would be about Derek and who’s better friends with him).

[NGUJZ]

Really need to listen to Leo's ninja like responses with educated shots to the jugular. 👏 👏 👏

[fabiohaderli]

About "dense foods": I'm quite sure there is a misunderstanding going on. Greg often talks about low calorie-dense foods, by which he means foods with a low calorie density. Meaning a lot of food for little calories. He does not talk about micronutrients when making this statement

[FeederNova]

I agree with you, but why do charge $1250 for a consult? I see that as no better than Greg

[alexaim]

Just found your channel today, which books would you recommend me reading? Just finished Why do we sleep by Mathew Walker, and am looking forward to reading something good again.

[ken]

"There is more in the world than financial returns such as the impact you live on others. If I always chose for myself, I would end up unhappy. I had to live to serve others. If I served others, I would end up happy." -Leo and Longevity, 2022

I literally feel the exact same thing. Can I use it as my personal motto?

[mattepton]

Waking up with Leo and looking forward to this response. Have a blessed Sunday Leo ! 🙏👊🏻💯

[crowofjudgement]

Everyone should go check out the beef Greg had with Team 3D Alpha about nucleus overload. Greg completely twisted his words and lied, and nobody ever talked about it!

[justanotherytaccount]

Hey Leo,
QUESTION: Benadryl for memory enhancement❓❓
Choline suppression during deep sleep is necessary for memory consolidation *,
Could anticholinergics (e.g. antihistamines) during sleep enhance memory??

* controls direction of information flow between hippocampus and PFC

[Paultarco]

I feel like you're being deliberately deceptive here. Your biggest piece of evidence for Greg's corrupt moral character is that he competed at a drug tested event while on PED's.

This is true but only in the strictest sense of the word and the fact that you left the details out, to me, shows you're more interested in proving a point than being honest and transparent.

You make it sound like he got busted in a powerlifting or bodybuilding event because you mention how looked down upon it is in these communities.

In reality, all that happened was that he signed up for a local amateur bike race because he likes racing bikes ( he never made his money from biking and likely never will so he had no incentives to cheat) that he did not know was drug tested. At the event they tested him and he came back positive for test because he was on HRT at the time. I don't see how you can argue that's evidence of his corrupt moral character, especially since carrying a lot of muscle is a disadvantage in bike riding.

As someone that likes both of your contents as well as Derek's and Steve's this really tarnished my view of your character more than anything. It feels like you have a vendetta against Greg and are willing to do anything and twist the facts in any way possible to paint him in a worse light.

[dorianfeher]

Leo you never changed, but Greg is indeed the one who has changed. Keep on going with sharing great valuable information and staying the same humble guy.

[unstable-]

Hey leo, i'd love to watch a video on high protein diets and how they make you age faster 🙏

[ballrocco]

Sorry Leo, will try harder to comment for the algo 😂 always hit the like, Always good content, Thank You 👊🏼