The REAL Reason People Are Leaving Miraculous

So yeah. Time for a fear mongering video. Are people leaving the show? Is the show dying? And why (spoiler alert the writing for Miraculous Ladybug is pretty woeful). So yeah, that's what today's video is going to focus on... so strap yourselves in and prepare for me to whine for a good couple minutes. Enjoy.

[daughterofchatblanc]

One of the biggest mistakes was having such a large time difference between the events of the show and the years that passed by in the real world while we watched the show,

A lot actually happened in this show if you keep in mind that these 5 seasons are supposed to be a single year but we have been watching this show for eight freaking years and it's hard not to get frustrated with the pacing.

[pancakes]

“It really feels like Astruc has a hate boner for Chloé”
*goes and looks at the ranting tweets where a grown 30+ year old man bashes a 14 year old girl in a troubled home, raving about how ‘bad people will always be bad’ and ‘people don’t change’ despite the fact she’s not even in her adult years yet*

[saramorgan]

It breaks my heart that this show had so much potential at the start, and then... Well

[shadowarchivist]

It's pretty telling when fan re-writes are more compelling than the source material due to the writing team making poor decisions. A friend and I are even coming up with alternatives for how the abilities of each miraculous can work, mainly out of our OCD-fuelled need for each miraculous to feel powerful in its own right as well as power-balancing.

[benraven]

I've been saying this for a while now. The show needs a reboot. New writers, directors, all of it. Just start over. If Astruc's involved, keep him on a leash. Don't get him anywhere near the pen. Let's hope Jeremy Zag's movie gives us this.

[fitzc]

Youre completely right. Pacing is terrible, too many plot holes, and then they get rid of or end interesting arcs before they begin. And i know it'll suck but im so emotionally invested. I started the show when i was 13. I have to finish it out even if it sucks.

[EditDeath]

I can boil what you said down to a single sentence. "When you find what fanfic writers are doing with the characters more enjoyable than what's happening in the canon, you know the show runners have made some serious mistakes." This is where Ladybug is at, in my opinion. The writers at AO3 have spent years writing stories to "fix" canon, and the fact that a number of them are kinda succeeding at it is evidence that there really is a lot of problems to fix.

In the end, it's just as you said. They refuse to break from status quo despite multiple instances where the narrative demands it, and that's pissing people off

[sailorwinxknighTronic]

From what I read online, Jeremy Zac was the one who writes Season 2, but after that, he left to focus on the Miraculous Movie, leaving season 3 and onwards up to Thomas Astruc. And from what I read on how Astruc portrays Chloe, not surprised that she just got reverted back to Season 1 Chloe in season 4. Feel free to correct me if you found me wrong

[Mylesledragon]

I'm honestly pissed how Chloe's redemption arc was erased, i went through abuse like her and I related to her. I felt her pain, I was pretty bratty and "mean-girl like" as a young girl and I tried to change because of my idols just like Chloe. Plus we both have blonde hair and blue eyes, I loved Chloe and connected with her. But the fact that Thomas Asteuc said shes irredeemable and destroyed her redemption arc pissed me off, seeing a character i saw myself in turn into a one dimensional mean girl all over again made me mad. I finally had a character to relate to in Miraculous and they downright destroyed her and I'm so pissed

[sofiadragon]

I watched the first 3 seasons about 17 times because I have a young child who got obsessed with it. The pacing was slow, but it had great potential. I happen to be a middle aged woman who took lots of Literature and writing classes in University. Chloe is a classic case of a dead storyline. It started good, realistically slow and I thought it would be a great message about how a 14 year old bully can turn it around, but no. Her story isn't a logical progression where she gives up and goes back to being "bad" she just had a higher power dictate that her character arc had to end, now, and completely revert. We don't often see such a clear backpedal.

Kagami and Luka are also great ideas to show that dating several people before you find your one true love is normal and helps you figure out what you want. They deserved a more fleshed out arc before they get dumped - at least half a season! Show don't tell is such a basic writing idea, and they just tell us as quickly as possible why this won't work before dropping it.

You can see a similar character retcon a bit in BBC Sherlock, written by a gay man (Mark Gattiss) with VERY obvious allusions to Sherlock not being straight in the pilot episode and first season. He ends up with Molly Hooper, and not to be anti-ship but this character had no interest in women as one of the first things we learn about him. "Queerbaiting" is sometimes not the fault of the writers, but a mandate to straighten out a character from on high. In this case, the estate still owned certain parts of Sherlock's character and any and all adaptations of him had to lack the capacity to love and care for others or be in violation of copyright (it really was as silly as it sounds, but now he's completely in the public domain so we can get some unfettered stories in the way of The Blue Diamond.)

[annett_]

I don't know how you guys feel about it but i personally consider feligami ship to be one of the most out-of-nowhere things in MLB. There was NO HINT throughout the story they would fall for each other. The only things we saw during their interactions were her disdainful look when he was around and his aka i-don't-care behaviour next to her. But suddenly, not only do we find out about him and her being sentimonsters, but also about the fact he has feelings for her. Why? Because they're just the same? Why does she love him back? Because he looks like adrien? Well, that's the only reason i can see. Moreover, their relationship development is shown in ONE episode, ONE of more than ONE HUNDRED episodes. I feel like lukagami is not as forced as feligami

[marenverduijn]

i personally think that Miraculous started off as a simple show for kids to enjoy. It was easy to understand the storyline for kids when every episode was a bit the same. But when the populairety rised, the creators probably knew that the fans wanted more story to the plot to make it interesting. So they made more seasons with more development for the audiance. They could've done it better tho.

[jasondavis]

The show's not dying...it's undead. Because the writers won't address the problems with the show or let it rest in peace, therefore making it into a zombie of a TV show.🧟‍♂️

[dspace]

I completely lost my faith in this show after I saw the leaked ending. It's just... How can you have the perfect setup and formula and STILL manage to screw up!?

[split]

One of the things that really piss me off about season 5 especially is how they bring a mental health related conflict, and you think "wow, they're going to tackle the effects all this stuff had on the characters!" but then they have the character mention love and suddenly NO DEPRESSION NO ANXIETY NO PTSD ONLY ROMANTIC PROBLEMS and it doesn't even push the romance forward!!!! Just one big let-down after another

[tulip]

I haven't seen leaks of the ending, but I think the main flaw within this show is that the writers think they gave us what we want in seasons 4 & 5, but it completely backfired.

I remember being so thrilled at the first couple of season 5 episodes, and even the last few ones of season 4, because the plot seemed to be progressing more than it EVER did. Now, looking back at it, I think I fell into the trap of "viewing something as good only because it's new", and I can confidently say that season 5 is the worst-written season so far.

MLB is notorious for its slow pacing, but the solution isn't to abruptly go from 0 to 100. Yet that's exactly what the writers did, perhaps desperate to satisfy the fans, but it totally backfired. The reverse love square, for example, was one of the most anticipated arcs, but it was so poorly built up & came completely out of nowhere, only to end instantly within a couple of episodes. Then, Adrienette start dating, something the fandom had been desperate for all these years, but it's been one of the most disappointing things to see - again, due to lack of proper development. Good characters like Luka and Alix get taken out indefinitely, and intriguing ones like Felix and Lila barely get screen time, only to be replaced by atrocities like Zoe. Moreover, convoluted details like the magic system of the miraculous, the sentimonster/graham de vanily mess, and whatever tf the Alliance is, are so poorly executed and inconsistent.

All in all, just like you said, "They've held on to certain things for way too long, and now that they're starting to finish up, people are not impressed."

[LaBellesGrace]

The problem is way too much is happening all at once all of a sudden without any actual pay off. We all pretty much had the same vision of potential with this show: Chloe's redemption, Lila being the big bad (predicted, but at what cost? Her hardly interfering with the main story), Gabe letting the power corrupt him to the point of absolutely no return, Adrien being treated as an equal main character - if not, the more important one considering the story, the friends/classmates not being one note, the boys being a sentimonster??? Marichat being the starting point of a reverse love square. All of this had the perfect way of pacing the story. I've been in the fandom right before season 2 premiered, and season 5 is the first time I've skipped watching new episodes entirely. The passion and drive is no longer there, and just two years ago I really wanted to give the writers a chance to redem themselves. Massively disappointed.

[JuliaRosiexo]

What the writers did to Chloe in seasons 4 and 5 is just.. absolutely heartbreaking. They turned her from mean to evil! At first she was like Sharpay who was just catty and rude to people. Then they made it so Chloe enjoys and gets pleasure out of watching other people suffer, which is a truly cruel act. Chloe had so much potential to have a good character arc but then they just ruined it, completely!

[carolich.]

This has to be a tragic reason of the creators not respecting the knowledge of their audiences. Granted, the initial targeted audiences are kids but much to their surprise it was picked up by teenagers. Now, eight years later, these teenagers are now fully grown adults. I was 14 when I started watching this show (now 22). They really thought that the fandom wouldn't notice these sloppy writing and plot decisions. Esp Thomas shutting/blocking everyone who gives an honest and harmless critic.

The fandom grew up, the show didn't.

[OrangeToadGamer]

I really liked Miraculous during Season 1 & 2, but once we got to the end of Season 3, I feel like that's when things started going downhill for me