Dune/ Atreides soldiers verses Sardaukar/ whose winning

I was asked this question on my TikTok and it intrigued me. the sardaukar were the most feared soldiers within the imperium of dune and it had been this way for of 10,000 years however Duke Leto of house Atreides had invested a great deal of wealth into building his house military to be a force to be reckoned with to the point where many within the landsraad actually believed that the legions of the duke were superior to the Emperors imperial Sardaukar, although this wasn't true just how far off were they and just how close did house strides come?

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[warmasters_tavern]

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[tomgjgj]

It's confirmed in the book series (I think Dune Messiah, but I could be wrong).

Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck trained a unit of Atreides soldiers to be within a hair's breadth as good as the Sardaukar. Who, by the time of the Dune series had actually grown a bit soft due to arrogance and feelings of superiority.

So Sardaukar take this win, but it would be a close fight.

[superspacemonkey]

There's a reason why space marines were based on sadukar

[IIIAnchani]

The Sardaukar win because of their training, but I do not agree with your assessment that Duncan would be equal to the Sardaukar commander. He'd be superior. Duncan Idaho is the finest swordsman in the galaxy.

[drvian]

I don't think Atreides have chances against Sardaukars.
Just because some of the elite atreides warriors are on pair or even superior to sardaukar as individuals, no one fight wars alone (as even the strongest warrior can't block strike to his back).
And as combat unit, sardaukars are definitely superior.
Only chance Atreides have for victory - it's if Sardaukar's commander makes a gross tactical mistake.

[MaxArch]

Sardaukar originally the strongest in the imperium, nonetheless in book 1 Dune, Atreides is the next rising forces rival to Sardaukar, currently best in the imperium, but due to their lack of war during that time and a long peaceful period, they got massacre and ambushed by both Harkonen and Sardaukar forces ( remember that Atreides got handicapped to 2v1 at Arrakis)

[tyguy]

i would also give it to the sardaukar. There are just a few subtle but significant factors at play that give them the edge. the culture, the mindset...
Atreides soldiers may be the best soldiers, but sardaukar EXIST to make and master war.
now if the atreides were mixed with some fremen (as we likely would may seen if Leto had managed to keep power on arrakis for a little longer) then I think the addition of their fighting style (especially if atreides forces trained with them and adopted some of that style into their own) would tip the balance over to atreides significantly.

[champisthebunny]

Its unclear why Leto was so keen to build a rival army to the Sardaukar, unless of course, he always intended to take on the Emporer in direct combat for leadership of the Imperium. OR perhaps, the idea was the threat of a near-equal army would be enough for him to assume the imperial throne. (With help from allies in the imperium of course). Thing is, armies are expensive, and waging war across interstellar space, even more so. This level of expense, is something the emporer can afford, but, its less clear to me, how Leto could even begin to afford matching the Imperial armies, not matter how well trained they might be in a general way. It must be understood, the Dune universe is structured the way it is for a reason. So despite all that aura of goodness and light Leto worked so hard to cultivate, it is just as likely, this mostly a façade, and Leto was no less ruthless and calculating as anyone else. Caladan, was far too pleasant to attract men to a soldiers life anyhow. Just how many men would forgo livelehoods and family, just to be foot soliders for Leto ambitions? Some would yes, but, I cant see Leto being able to raise near enough troops to threaten, much less challenge, the emperor and his armies. Recall Caladan is smaller than Terra, and has less land as a %. In addition, Caladans main commercial export, end Its not an industrial powerhouse by any stretch. I like good rice myself, and would pay extra for it, but, I dont know If It be enough to build an army of uber-soliders with.

[baohoang]

If they fight FAIR AND SQUARE, Sardaukar wins ! Simply because that's how they've always trained, how they've always fought !! Savage, yet so discipline !! If the 2 army just simply charge into each other, only Fremen could have a chance to defeat the Sardaukar !

BUT, you forgot a big factor: Tactics !! Atreides is much more develop in total war !! Sardaukar may be fearsome, but with their only Tactics is charge in and slice, that's mean most of their troopers are just idiots with highly combat experience !! Atreides in the other hand, develop many ways of combat that can ultilize the inexperienced troopers so effectively that it's make them well-known even with little numbers of battle !! And most importantly, THEY HAVE TECHNOLOGY ADVANTAGE !! House Atreides is RICH, they not just well-equipped their troops, but also their fleet ! Atreides's warships is mostly always superior in term of vessel-to-vessel warfare against any other houses, what's the meaning of good sword skill if the Sardaukar simply died before they got deployed ??? And even if they successfully deployed, how can they survive the support barrage from Atreides's warships provided for their troops ??? War is never FAIR, and that's how Atreides army got their fame of being superior to the fearsome Sardaukar !! Not because of their skill, but thanks to their overall advantages !!!

[Arakko-ih]

The question of whether Atreides soldiers could match the Sardaukar is a fascinating one!

The Sardaukar were indeed the most feared soldiers in the Imperium, known for their brutal training and unwavering loyalty to the Emperor. They were raised in the harsh conditions of Salusa Secundus, which forged them into elite warriors.

Duke Leto Atreides invested heavily in training his troops, and under the guidance of skilled leaders like Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck, the Atreides soldiers became a formidable force. While they might not have reached the same level as the Sardaukar in terms of sheer ferocity and conditioning, they were highly disciplined and well-trained, earning respect and fear from their enemies.

In the books and adaptations, it’s suggested that the Atreides soldiers were close to matching the Sardaukar, especially in terms of tactical effectiveness and morale. The Emperor’s fear of Duke Leto’s growing power and the potential of his army was one of the reasons for the betrayal and the subsequent attack on House Atreides

In a direct confrontation, the Sardaukar might still have the edge due to their extreme training and conditioning. However, the Atreides soldiers, with their superior leadership and strategic acumen, could potentially hold their own, especially if they had the element of surprise or advantageous terrain.

It’s a testament to the strength and potential of House Atreides that they were seen as a significant threat to the Emperor’s power. What do you think would have happened if the Atreides had more time to build their forces?

[thanell]

I give it to atreides war isn’t only about the best soldiers skill wise

[Lotek]

Ehh, after seeing Gurney and Duncan fight along with some of the atreides soldiers in their pajamas after just being woken up, I'd have to give it to the atreides. I mean Duncan killed what 18 sardaukar by himself and Gurney, god knows how many! This is way different than single combat or in a formation battle with soldiers protecting your flanks and back. He was completely surrounded, making his feat insanely impressive! Duncan had trained the best division of atreides soldiers to be on par with the sardaukar as he last faced them. The sardaukar had grown slightly less proficient in that time span. So combine all that with Duke Leto, Duncan, and Gurney's tactics in addition to Duncan and Gurney actually leading this top tier soldiers from the front line in a numerically even fight with the sardaukar I'd really have to give it to the atreides!
One other thing to mention is not only Duke Letos superior tactics but also his fighting ability! He at the time of the first movie is a superior fighter to Paul and would be able to take on multiple sardaukar by himself like Paul, Gurney, and Duncan. When you have those 3 leading a line with their flanks protected they would be able to cut down ten times as many as they did by themselves...

[omarbaba]

I don’t get it, did the Atreides actually rule over anyone or were they just the family with a bunch on soldiers on an empty planet with no cities?

[bobsunflower]

The 1000 zenomorph army will killed both groups at one time 😅😅😅😅

[thedoughnutking]

You bring glory to the Sardaukar, , , , Dreams are memories from the

[grnamin]

If the Sardaukar were really that superior, why did they need a traitor to compromise Atreides defenses before they could attack?

[zvisc]

8 out of 10 plus the other 3 is 11 out of 10? I feel like I've missed something.

[unclegene]

The Sardaukar beat everyone they fight until they are crushed by the fremen. I think the Atriedes troops would inflict losses on the Sardaukar but at the end of a battle between the two… there would be about 800 Sardaukar left and the Atriedes would be dead. Conversely, about two hundred fremen would destroy a thousand Sardaukar.

[TheChuckfuc]

It would probably be similar to the Romans vs the Germans. The Germans were often trained to fight ever since they were boys in a much harsher environment, but the Roman's showed that they could create amazing soldiers with a couple months of boot camp and a couple more months of swordsmanship.

So in short the sardurkar win the battle, but atraties win the war.