Broken Rules and 10x worse than we thought.

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Overview on criminal/civil procedure disclosure rules and secondary disclosure. There were some serious failures in the #postoffice #horizon scandal.

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[BlackBeltBarrister]

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[TheMorges]

As a professional programmer with multiple years work experience, I CANNOT believe they trusted the computer and saw the software as infallible. Its ridiculous.

[LazlowT]

Something that really stuck out to me from the drama series was how it appeared as if the Post Office were going out of their way not to disclose to the defence material that would clearly assist their case and undermine their own. The whole time I was thinking "Surely this is just part of the drama and this didn't actually happen", but the more I read about it; the more it appears to be true.

To me, the failure in disclosure is one of the biggest headlines of this whole saga, and the lawyers/investigators involved on the Post Office side must be investigated. If any wilful malfeasance is identified, they need to be barred from practicing at the very least and I would hope for some sort of investigation into Perverting the Course of Justice.

[Geoff]

The phrase “and then it gets worse” seems to apply to this whole saga

[bobd]

Sickening disregard for due process and rules of procedures

[zxmel]

As expected, it's time for some of the judges to get the boot as well.

[gmo]

Yesterday in the Horizon IT Inquiry, the Fujitsu employee admitted stripping out the duplicate data in the audit logs before sending it off with the witness statement to say the software was reliable. To leave the duplicates would have made the court suspicious that the software was not up to it. This is the gift that keeps on giving.

[EdMcF]

The phrase 'Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice' comes to mind.

[theonlywoodyshoes]

As a retired Pentester, I spent the last 15+ years compromising and “owning” systems that were supposedly secure and fit for purpose. If computers were as infallible as they claimed, I’d have been unemployed in an instant. Computers (hardware) can be robust but software/firmware is another option altogether - compiled by wetware that is fundamentally flawed, the results are predictable!

[pelinoregeryon]

Is there a possibility here that some of the prosecution lawyers may have left themselves open to professional standards sanctions, civil law suits by the defendants and even perhaps criminal prosecution?

[pcat]

I'm a software test engineer because computers are ALWAYS wrong because they are programmed by humans

[bjkemp]

To my mind. the fact that a newly PRIVATISED company was permitted by GOVERNMENT to retain it's own private police force and prosecution service, is the real scandal.

[paulharris]

How many judges were involved in all these convictions? Why was it so easy to hoodwink them? At this point I'm wondering if anyone can get a fair trial anymore.

[camoTiaras]

I must have missed this travesty while living abroad and only learned of it recently, but i am flabbergasted that hundreds of honest people were stitched up like this. I am sure most people are wondering how fragile our freedoms are when your not rich.

[jeffreyroberts]

The judiciary were complicit with this scandal. They accepted the post office lies without question.

[jerrygeorgopolis]

BBB, I have been watching some of the hearings on this, and frankly I'm shocked at the lack of taking responsibly for these software errors !! Thank you for covering this, and good afternoon from the U.S.A.

[nfc]

Surely if the PO had the information that showed the errors but withheld it and prosecuted anyway, that's enrolling the courts in the enforcement of an extortion racket isn't it? That's what it's called when you threaten people for money they don't owe isn't it?. Or am I wrong here? Just looking for clarification.

[richardpeel]

Postmasters were calling for help and the numbers didn't add up, the Post Office's Investigation Branch showed up and treated them as criminals investigating nothing, at least one of the investigators was a former CID police officer, surely this brings into question all the police investigations this former CID officer has taken part in. Are even the police competent to carry out investigations?

[BANKO]

The disclosure obligation can be absolutely toothless because it is after a not-guilty plea and therefore all the arm-twisting, punishment intimidation, and bluffing to coerce the defendant to plead guilty has already happened. Who wouldn't plead guilty if it avoids the risk of jail?

[londonerwalks]

It took a TV drama to get justice. That says a lot about our failed legal system.