Luke-Acts Use of Homer | Dr. Dennis MacDonald

With characteristic boldness and careful reassessment of the evidence, MacDonald offers an alternative reconstruction of Q and an alternative solution to the Synoptic Problem: the Q+/Papias Hypothesis. To do so, he reconstructs and interprets two lost books about Jesus: the earliest Gospel, which was used as a source by the authors of Mark, Matthew, and Luke; and the earliest commentary on the Gospels, by Papias of Hierapolis, who apparently knew Mark, Matthew, and the lost Gospel, which he considered to be an alternative Greek translation of a Semitic Matthew. MacDonald also explores how these two texts, well known into the fourth century, shipwrecked with the canonization of the New Testament and the embarrassment at outmoded eschatologies in both the lost Gospel and Papias's Exposition.

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[woyin-emijohn]

What a Professor! Can we thank you enough for this groundbreaking discovery? ❤❤❤

[James-lljb]

I'm getting deja vu from these reruns.

[DavidJohnson-xrrz]

I'M AMAZED AT HOW FAR BIBLICAL SCHOLARSHIP HAS COME SINCE THE JESUS SEMINAR.

[BryanKirch]

This is the least convincing argument I’ve ever heard

[busterbiloxi]

Are those LOEB Library books on the left?

[VajrahahaShunyata]

So this is a theory and there is no evidence to prove the claim?
Just similarities.

[Mr.PhatsVarietyVibesShow]

the question is is why do we need Jesus when we have Homer? I don't know why we need, or why the world needs Jesus when we already had Greek virtue. what does Jesus offer the Greek world ? had it not been for Jesus millions of Jewish people wouldn't have died in death camps.

[alanroddis]

It's always enjoyable to listen to Dr.MacDonald but I'm afraid he can't tell you like all the other bible scholars as well, who wrote the gospels, so enter Henry Davis who discovered by deciphering the Royal Code used by ancient Royalty, that a highly influential senatorial Roman family called the Culpurnius Pisos were responsible for the gospels. Mr. Davis who describes himself as a historical researcher, explains in his book "Creating Christianity" that a certain Arius Piso with the help of the Herodian royal family who he was related to, wrote the gospels as satirical plays with himself taking the role of Jesus. There are many astonishing claims like this throughout the book and it needs to be taken seriously and not dismissed.

[Scorned]

Wasn’t Luke written in the early second century??? If that’s so than how did Luke write it?? Luke would have been dead. The New Testament synoptic Gospels were not written by the followers of Jesus even though they are named after the apostles

[welyotu]

The first official bible was written in Greek was Jesus disciples Greeks

[Bluebaggins]

The Merneptah Stele shows israel is a nomad tribe and was wiped from the canaanite region. Yahu designates a people from Edom. and has been conflated with yahudim. King Hezekiah bulla shows the king practising egyptian theology. . Here we have a book Torah that was created to give Yahudim legitamcy. yet as people using the trope anti semitic, it is the use of fallacious logic. A semite is a person born with semitic mother tongue, and there are many different semitic languages used in the world today, and people born with non semitic tongue are being defended by this trope, and it displaces all the other semites that are born semitic. Cognitive dissonance is being used on a large scale, as i can posit, no kingdom of israel ever existed upon earth, even Yahweh is a confabulation taken from proto canaanite scripting and the Torah has been constructed by using greek philosophy and a collation of other text taken from the region, scribed in a language that was born in Babylon from Imeperial Aramaic.. The world thrust into an opposition of law versus lawlessness, which was seen as the ordered establishment against the Apiru. in ancient times. The sciptures have many clues as to what is transpiring, but i will not use any of those here. Goog luck. Your mind is under attack.

What shall we say in regard to the question: "Why do the divinities that are invoked require the worshipper to be just, although they themselves when entreated consent to perform unjust acts?" In reply to this I am uncertain in respect to what is meant by "performing unjust acts, " as the same definition may not appear right both to us and to the gods. We, on the one hand, looking to that which is least significant, consider the things that are present, the momentary life, what it is and how it originates. The beings superior to us, let me say, know for certain the whole life of the soul and all its former lives; and if they bring on a retribution from the supplication of those who invoke them, they do not increase it beyond what is just. On the contrary, they aim at the sins impressed upon the soul in former lifetimes, which men do not perceive, and so imagine that is unjust that they fall into the misfortunes which they suffer.
Iamblichus -- The Egyptian Mysteries

[Thomasw]

No question about it, The Parable of the Prodigal Son is a recasting of The Odyssey. When first we meet Odysseus, he is weeping at the point in the story where the God's release him from Circe to begin his final trek home, The Prodigal Son weeps when he is finally able to break free of his own hubris and return to his Father's estate.

Luke understood Christianity better than Paul, If Paul has used the Prodigal Son on Mars Hill instead of his lame "unknown god" rabbinic legalism, he wouldn't have pissed of the Greeks and might have actually had success in conversions.

I meaan the reaason Marcion glommed on to Luke is because of Homer. Like Cornelius, Luke and Tertullian, he began with the Roman testimony in Quelle from the intelligence archives of the 10th Legion, And Corneliu was the currator of Quelle and Luke's introduction to Theolphilus.

In terms of the literature of the Bible, as literature, Jesus is the sumation of everything that began with the Book of Job and ended with Malichi, Jesus is the personification of Kabalah,
Luke/Acts leads directly to Rome and the Roman Christian Communion of the Talking cross. i don't know if Tertullian knew his father, a centurion, was a Christian, but he knew that the Christians in the Pax Romana out numbered the Pagans,

The question in my mind is why the alleged Christian historians ignore Tertullian's Book V of his Apology, which decribes the lost euangelion of Pilate regarding Christians, Jesus and the instant animosity to the Christians by Roman senators and their society.

My opinion is taht Dennis MacDonald's and Robyn Walsh's shared thesis that the canon, henerally, and Mark in particular, are a literary project with an editorial board that survives both Cornelius, the author of Mark, and Sait Mark, the Author of John and add the long ending to mark 16:9 - 20 and John 20 and 21 and probably Colossians and Ephesians which introduces Aristole's verticle straautures to horizontal structures of Plato in Paul's Epistles. The theology of Jesus is profoundly Hellenistic and JOhn Mark, as the founding publisher of the Alexandria copyest tradtion that producd 90% of the manuscripts we have from before Constantine, was saturated in the Hellenistic judaism of philo of Alexandria. The reason why the Septuagent was produces was because the Jews loved the expansion of the linguistic register Greek provided to their constant "wrestling with God" of Israel.

And, as far as it goes. Homer was far more important to even the Romans than Virgil and the Aeneid, I mean, the 7 Kings are fully incorporated into the structues of the Republic.

Wiley Odysseus and Jesus, the Kamikazi Messiah: separated at birth?

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[Thomasw]

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@Paul-fg6mk
2 hours ago
@Thomasw540 Thanks for the clarification... Marx is not anti'harmonics (I have no idea what that means), he is anti-capitalist. Perhaps you mean to say that Mark suffers from alienation, a

@Paul-fg6mk Marx is not anti'harmonics (I have no idea what that means),

You should have ended your response with that confession: it is evident.

American and British constitutional capitalism is based on the harmonics of the Moral and the Material of the structures and processes of currency and property, on the basis of Napoleon's axiom of warfare that the Moral is to the Material as 3 is to 1 (in this respects, Napoleon's meaning of “Moral” is the continental understanding of the “Geist” of Jungian Psychology meaning both “spirit” and “mind”. It's what Jesus adds to perfect the Shema).

This is basically Hegel's construct of capitalism.

Marx proposed to stand Hegel on his head and denied the paradox of Capitalism because he misunderstood Hegel as representing a climax progression of Descartes and Spinoza of Plato's rational idealism. Marx adopted a modified form of Aristotle's Materialism and corrupted the basic Transaction Theory of economics to support his proposition that the Profit Motive of capital economics is heresy and Property is theft. To do this, he proposed that the Material is to the Moral as 3 is to 1 and then he rejected the Moral component of Capitalism as a contradiction/

And that's basically how the critical Historic method of Post Modern Historic Deconstruction works for the Jesus Seminar and Project 2025.

Alas, I do not currently reside in Paris, but on the fringes of the LGBTQ community north of Dupont Circle in Washington DC. The weather in DC and Paris is very much alike between now and Hallo'ween, but there is no escaping the dumb ass ignorance of Project 2025 MAGA trolls, Christian Nationalism Jesus freaks and Jesus Seminar Marxist like Bart “Giggles” Ehrman and Jimmy Tabor engaged in academic mal practice.

It seems like they have your vote. Like I say, you said it all when you admitted you didn't know what “harmonization” is. You are a man after Jimmy Tabor's own heart.

[Thomasw]

No question about it, The Parable of the Prodigal Son is a recasting of The Odyssey. When first we meet Odysseus, he is weeping at the point in the story where the God's release him from Circe to begin his final trek home, The Prodigal Son weeps when he is finally able to break free of his own hubris and return to his Father's estate.

Luke understood Christianity better than Paul, If Paul has used the Prodigal Son on Mars Hill instead of his lame "unknown god" rabbinic legalism, he wouldn't have pissed of the Greeks and might have actually had success in conversions.

I meaan the reaason Marcion glommed on to Luke is because of Homer. Like Cornelius, Luke and Tertullian, he began with the Roman testimony in Quelle from the intelligence archives of the 10th Legion, And Corneliu was the currator of Quelle and Luke's introduction to Theolphilus.

In terms of the literature of the Bible, as literature, Jesus is the sumation of everything that began with the Book of Job and ended with Malichi, Jesus is the personification of Kabalah,
Luke/Acts leads directly to Rome and the Roman Christian Communion of the Talking cross. i don't know if Tertullian knew his father, a centurion, was a Christian, but he knew that the Christians in the Pax Romana out numbered the Pagans,

The question in my mind is why the alleged Christian historians ignore Tertullian's Book V of his Apology, which decribes the lost euangelion of Pilate regarding Christians, Jesus and the instant animosity to the Christians by Roman senators and their society.

My opinion is taht Dennis MacDonald's and Robyn Walsh's shared thesis that the canon, henerally, and Mark in particular, are a literary project with an editorial board that survives both Cornelius, the author of Mark, and Sait Mark, the Author of John and add the long ending to mark 16:9 - 20 and John 20 and 21 and probably Colossians and Ephesians which introduces Aristole's verticle straautures to horizontal structures of Plato in Paul's Epistles. The theology of Jesus is profoundly Hellenistic and JOhn Mark, as the founding publisher of the Alexandria copyest tradtion that producd 90% of the manuscripts we have from before Constantine, was saturated in the Hellenistic judaism of philo of Alexandria. The reason why the Septuagent was produces was because the Jews loved the expansion of the linguistic register Greek provided to their constant "wrestling with God" of Israel.

And, as far as it goes. Homer was far more important to even the Romans than Virgil and the Aeneid, I mean, the 7 Kings are fully incorporated into the structues of the Republic.

Wiley Odysseus and Jesus, the Kamikazi Messiah: separated at birth?

[Thomasw]

@Paul-fg6mk
2 hours ago
@Thomasw540 Thanks for the clarification... Marx is not anti'harmonics (I have no idea what that means), he is anti-capitalist. Perhaps you mean to say that Mark suffers from alienation, a

@Paul-fg6mk Marx is not anti'harmonics (I have no idea what that means),

You should have ended your response with that confession: it is evident.

American and British constitutional capitalism is based on the harmonics of the Moral and the Material of the structures and processes of currency and property, on the basis of Napoleon's axiom of warfare that the Moral is to the Material as 3 is to 1 (in this respects, Napoleon's meaning of “Moral” is the continental understanding of the “Geist” of Jungian Psychology meaning both “spirit” and “mind”. It's what Jesus adds to perfect the Shema).

This is basically Hegel's construct of capitalism.

Marx proposed to stand Hegel on his head and denied the paradox of Capitalism because he misunderstood Hegel as representing a climax progression of Descartes and Spinoza of Plato's rational idealism. Marx adopted a modified form of Aristotle's Materialism and corrupted the basic Transaction Theory of economics to support his proposition that the Profit Motive of capital economics is heresy and Property is theft. To do this, he proposed that the Material is to the Moral as 3 is to 1 and then he rejected the Moral component of Capitalism as a contradiction/

And that's basically how the critical Historic method of Post Modern Historic Deconstruction works for the Jesus Seminar and Project 2025.

Alas, I do not currently reside in Paris, but on the fringes of the LGBTQ community north of Dupont Circle in Washington DC. The weather in DC and Paris is very much alike between now and Hallo'ween, but there is no escaping the dumb ass ignorance of Project 2025 MAGA trolls, Christian Nationalism Jesus freaks and Jesus Seminar Marxist like Bart “Giggles” Ehrman and Jimmy Tabor engaged in academic mal practice.

It seems like they have your vote. Like I say, you said it all when you admitted you didn't know what “harmonization” is. You are a man after Jimmy Tabor's own heart.