The Modal Ontological Argument Debated- Dale vs. TJump

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In my second debate with TJump, we debate Yujin Nagasawa/Alvin Plantinga's version of the Modal Ontological Argument on the Proseltyze or Apostatyze Podcast.

  1. Real Seekers
  2. Ontological Argument
  3. God
  4. God exists
  5. TJump
  6. Tom Jump
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tom is correct, the ontological is one of the worst arguments for a deity. it`s basically just trying to define a deity into existence, tom did a nice job of showing the obvious flaws in the argument

jodyw
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It seems that the properties of greatness need to be argued in a more convincing way for this Ontological Argument to be more persuasive. 
Why are the properties of maximum knowledge, power and goodness the greatest properties?

speakbigtruth
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Metaphysically speaking anything could be assumed.

thegroove
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I have two questions for you that I'd like some clarification on:
* Do you accept that an reduction ad absurdum tells us something about how good an argument is?
* Do you accept that if the same argument could be used for something obviously false and contradictory defeats the argument?

Iverath
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Do you agree numbers, languages, logics are abstract things used to describe reality?
How can a mind without a physical body be plausible?

frd
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it stll does not detract from the possiblity that there maybe something behind this all. I dont know what it may or could be but from my standpoint im edging towards that there could be something. I just dont know. Now im not talking about GOD . That idea does not come into my equation.

thegroove