The Problem of Evil, God's Sovereignty, and Total Depravity,

We listened to and critiqued an on-line exchange on the topic of God’s decree with an atheist.

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[tylerbuckner]

My instant response to any atheist who starts rattling off bad behavior is: “What’s wrong with rape? What’s wrong with child abuse?”

Any atheist making moral complaints has lost the debate before it started.

[jchan]

Thank you Dr White for pointing out that Flowers argues like an atheist. Flowers and Austin Fisher argue just like atheists when they object to double predestination or people predestined to hell. Both asks the question: How is God recognizably good if he predestines people to hell? That objection is the same objection atheists make concerning theodicy. One can use the same argument against provisionist when it comes to theodicy. How is God recognizably good for all the evil and suffering in this world? Flowers is digging his own grave.

[pateunuchity]

Thank you White for your work in debunking Leighton’s endless and repeated complaints against Calvinism and other branches of Protestantism. The truth you are setting forth is immeasurable, Holy and sets the captive free from false ideologies. To God be the Glory alone.

[grumpygrognard]

I'm not sure if the following analogy is theologically sound, but whenever i, (being a monergist), have been confronted with the attempt by someone (a creature) to subjectively judge or even indict God (the Creator) of unrighteousness, i ask the following question to hopefully bring clarity to the understanding of the difference of God's decreed will and His moral will. "Would you call Agatha Christie a serial murderer?" The point I am making is: Within the creation of her stories, there are many murders, and she, being the creator of those plots and characters, has decreed them when she pens the final drafts. Yet, her sense of justice is declared within these works when a solution is provided and the murderers receive justice. Certainly we can see that the author has a moral will within the story that upholds what is right and just, and at the same time the murders and evil contained within have a purpose to reveal and demonstrate the author's sense of righteousness and justice that contrasts the evil deeds. Admittedly, this analogy may not be perfect, but it may help to understand the transcendence of His sovereign decreed will. Soli Deo Gloria.

[davidxinidakis]

12:15 "He does allow the expression of our evil hearts in a limited fashion"...James White. Whenever these HyperCalvinists are forced to talk about and explain HOW the decree and secondary causes actually work, ...they always have to use language that denies their premise...like "allow". There is no such thing as allowance if God is causally determining it as they say.

[pateunuchity]

There is no meaning to creation apart from God. Autonomous, indifference of the will is a myth. Submit to the wisdom of the Lord.

[bridegroomministries]

That was painful to hear. It was good to hear your comments as a sort of polished echo of my own knee jerk response going along. Thanks for your teaching.

[davidxinidakis]

13:34"is the coming of the Messiah part of Gods decree? Well most definitely, it is, and it could only come in one way"..-James White
So youre saying acts of rape were a necessary part of Gods decree for the Messiah to come...as if there were no way apart from rape that Christ would come. Absurd.

[MB-qrxv]

Joshua says, "Choose you this day whom you will serve." Notice God didn't decide, He gives people a choice. If there was no choice, why would he say, "Choose..?" Also in Joshua God says, "The people built the high places to sacrifice their children in fire. Something I did NOT command, nor did I speak it, nor did it ener my mind." So while God does decrees some thing, He, Himself says, not everything.

[ztc]

Great Channel! Thanks for putting in the work

[Over-for-now]

Forget calvin
God's not sharing HIS glory with calvin. Scripture is clear THAT NONE seek after God . HE MUST choose to save some. Just come to Jesus and He will not cast you out. However if you do come, Jesus chose to save you

[jazzmankey]

I just listened to this again for the first time, and I realized that James White has not reconciled the fact that sinful man did not individually choose to be born in Adam, nor did we choose to inherit our sin nature. While it is obviously clear that man is in his fallen state sinful by nature. It is also true that the divine decree has placed man in this sinful condition and not our own INDIVIDUAL choice.

[Rom 11:32 NKJV] 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

[Rom 3:9 NKJV] 9 What then? Are we better [than they]? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

[Gal 3:22 NKJV] 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

[CBALLEN]

The only thing I can say about my reformed Brothers is, why do you call these people Brothers when they still hate our God and Gospel? Im not saying that they aren't Elect, but according to scripture, those who hate God and teach others to Hate Our God , these are still natural men.Where am I wrong?

[CBALLEN]

All men are commanded to follow Gods word, all are commanded to repent and believe. This is what all men, everywhere are commanded to do and when men disobey, its because they want to disobey.So, don't worry about the secret things of God, do what He says.Thats the Bottom line.

[ryleighloughty]

God created evil for his purpose and when that purpose is fulfilled, he will destroy evil.
A creator who created evil and who can destroy evil cannot be evil himself.
The creator is separate from what he has created.

[jeojttong]

This guy has no understanding according to what scripture teaches... Blind leading the blind...

[dogescout]

When your theology strips attributes, nature, and freedom from God to give it to man, you know your theology is wrong.

[Jlde]

Can James White or any Calvinist explain the story of God, Adam and Eve, and the snake, from a Calvinist perspective?

[yhvhgod]

This is cringe worthy. Bless the brother for trying to represent the Lord but painful to listen to.

[barryjansenvanrensburg]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.