No More Pilots By 2027! Airlines, Airbus, And Boeing Want to REMOVE Pilots From CockpitsAnd Automate

Over 40 countries including Germany, the UK, and New Zealand have asked the United Nations body that sets aviation standards to help make single-pilot flights a safe reality. The European Union Aviation Safety Agency has also been working with manufacturers to determine how solo flights would operate and preparing rules to oversee them. EASA said such services could start in 2027.

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[markfrench]

I won't even begin to fly on a single pilot or autonomous operated plane. This is corporate greed at its best.

[dewiz]

As a Private Pilot. . . I have but ONE WORD.. . Madness

[samuelschrader]

By the 2030s I will be 85 and beyond my desire to fly anywhere, thankfully! I suggest a plane full of manufacturer executives riding along to do the proof testing of the one man cockpit idea.

[Luisgtm]

Politicians don't want to remove the ridiculous 1, 500 hour rule for new hire airline pilots that actually worsens the pilot shortage and contributes nothing to safety "because public perception would be negative" but they say they feel safe removing one pilot from the cockpit altogether. Are we really this STUPID?

[guillermogic]

Another example of "cutting the middleman" with technology, even if most people are the middlemen in some process. Greed at max speed!

[Masu_Stargazer]

Going back over 25 years I can remember sitting in the right seat of single pilot operated aircraft like Embraer EMB 110 Bandeirantes and even smaller twin engine aircraft. But that went away when they introduced second pilots to every commercial flight even when there were only 10 seats.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but after the Germanwings Flight 9525 and a couple of similar crashes a rule was introduced that meant there MUST BE TWO PEOPLE IN THE COCKPIT AT ALL TIMES to specifically prevent suicidal pilots from locking themselves in the cockpit and crashing the plane.

Now I used to love stooging about the sky in a single seat glider and I can certainly say it is far more rewarding than flying in a twin seat glider even if it's a Schempp-Hirth Duo Discus or Schleicher ASH 25 glider with with 20 and 26 m wingspans respectively. But when your talking about hundreds of passengers there's no way I'd be happy with only one pilot in the cockpit.

I also used to be a field engineer for a fairly large international computer manufacturer that built mini supercomputers which came with all these diagnostic programs and flow charts you were supposed to use to quickly diagnose problems with the top of the range models having a second diagnostic computer that was specifically designed to monitor the operation of the actual computer doing the work. Nearly every time you would follow the trouble shooting flowchart it would end up with and instruction to and I quote "Call your local field engineer" which is about as useful as a hernia at the Olympic weight lifting competition when you are the local field engineer.

If you want to fully automate something as complex as flying an aircraft you need to anticipate absolutely every possible fault, failure, glitch or even bit flip cause by a stray high energy photon from a supernova hundreds of light years away. Then you need to write software to allow for not only all these scenarios, but also their being problems in the system that's checking that everything is working correctly. Such a system would be so complex that it could never be 100% prepared for every incident that may need recovery from. Humans may make errors, but they are extremely apt a solving unanticipated problems and computers are not.

As I said I used to be a field engineer and my job was to sort out problems that nobody else could figure out and there was more work for me than I could cope with. In one instance I rented an apartment only to get paged the day I moved in and informed I needed to be a flight to somewhere in the middle of nowhere in 3 hours. In the next 12 months I spent all up about 4 weeks living in that apartment because I was away fixing problems the design engineers never anticipated.

Single pilot aircraft are bad enough, but a no pilot aircraft is something I be weary about getting to close to on the tarmac in case it decided to start up an engine or move a control surface I was too close to or working on. As for flying on a no pilot aircraft, not a snowballs chance in hell.

[mabuse]

This idea of autonomous planes scares me. I prefer human pilots, regarding technical malfunction vs. human error. Thank you for mentioning this topic 👍

[enzogalbo]

United 232 had three flight deck crew during their emergency. A fourth, an off duty pilot traveling as a passenger also assisted. 184 people survived. I wonder how they'd fared with a single pilot upfront?

[terradrone]

After how the MAX's MCAS behaved, this truly is a great idea. I can foresee no possible way this is going to go wrong in anyway /s

[cksdesertrat]

If people could see the amount of problems we as pilots have to sort out with the computers on board airplanes now… they probably would get on now. The 747-8’s NG FMS from Honeywell had hundreds of anomalies that came with the delivery of the plane; TONS of issues that if a pilot wasn’t there to take over the plane would have crashed. Honeywell barely supports the system anymore and will only meet with -8 operators every 6 months to discuss problems and come up with a fix anywhere from 3-6 months later. Have you ever watched a video of people hacking electronics on new cars, let alone the self driving attempting ones. NO THANKS!

[johnbirkland]

No way! There are just too many variables to guarantee autonomous safe flight and landing.

[-er-unwt]

When is comes to autonomous flying if a sensor gets a faulty reading it is game over it would end up really bad. Something like the max incident will happen and that will be the end of that.

[PlanesAndGames]

God no. Have we really learned NOTHING from the Germanwings disaster?

[gobysky]

Some humans never learn that computers can’t be trusted.

[harryforsha]

In my opinion, as a former frequent flier, the experience of flying has dropped well below the ẗolerable¨ level, and I wouldn´t get on a plane any more, and haven´t for more than 20 years. It always amazes me how much garbage my fellow citizens will tolerate. But Iĺl be out there on the road with my left turn signal on, right behind you.

[johnpatrick]

At Jetblue, no pilots may be safer. They hired a pilot who is a felon who broke into a judge's home beat the daughter in the shower with a baton and is on probation after serving prison time. But JB does require all employees and new hires to be vaccinated because they care about safety.

[mikespencer]

Never underestimate the greed of an airline accountant! Their greed which reaches all aspects of airline operations has killed thousands of passengers, Air Florida, Alaska? Want safer skies, get rid of the selfish accountants!

[RiftWalker]

Ah yes, putting the lives of potentially hundreds of people in the hands of robots, definitely nothing can go wrong there at all.

[casperliew]

You can never programme human survival instinct, gut feeling into any automation or machine.

[rexmyers]

As a retired airline pilot I think Artificial Intelligence has not shown to be able to foresee problems (developing/rapidly changing weather, intermittent mechanical indications, etc) that only an EXPERIENCED and well trained human can. In short - Absolutely insane idea.