Why the fall of Adam was a GOOD THING

Should we be punished for Adam’s transgression? Did Adam’a transgression make it so that we’re all inherently sinners? Was the fall of Adam necessary?

In this episode we talk ALL about our beliefs about the fall of Adam and Eve. We talk about how we are NOT punished for what Adam did but only punished for our own sins. We talk about how the Church of Jesus Christ (otherwise known as the Mormon Church) might differ in beliefs of other Christian religions.

What do you think about the fall of Adam and Eve? Let us know in the comments below!

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[zenosvillondo]

Satan tempting Eve: ($w$)
Satan realizing it was part of God’s plan: (030)

I’m sorry I realize this isn’t reddit

[reformedprops]

2:19 you asked to be corrected if wrong. Minor correction but huge implication. Eve wasn't the one who caused the fall. It wasn't her transgression that plunged mankind into spiritual, it was Adam. He was the one that God commanded not to eat from that specific tree as the leader between him and his wife. Eve was tempted, but Adam disobeyed. Romans 5:12 teaches us that "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned". That sinner was Adam. His disobedience caused sin to enter the world and death through sin struck all his descendants according to this passage. We see this more in Genesis 3:17-19 "Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’; Cursed is the ground because of you; with hard labor you shall eat from it all the days of your life.18 Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; Yet you shall eat the [b]plants of the field; 19 By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, until you return to the ground, because from it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.” it's all there in Bible, just need to read it.

[cultfiction]

Guys on this video you say that you don’t believe in the concept of original sin but simply that you have agency but it’s a big problem because that contradicts biblical scripture.
Romans 5:12 “That is why just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned.”

That’s a big difference from what you are saying here.
That scripture is telling us that we do inherit original sin through Adams transgression and disobedience.

Also when you say that of Adam hadn’t sinned you wouldn’t be here, that’s not true Cos at Genesis 1:28 God says “Be fruitful and become many and full the Earth.”
So Gods plan was for Adam and Eve to reproduce and fill the earth.

I have a lot of respect for you guys but you cannot just cherry pick bible verses that fit Mormon teaching and then completely overlook other verses that teach something different.
The idea that we owe thanks to Adam and Eve is an outrageous Idea.
Had Adam been obedient we’d all be living right now as perfect human beings free of disease and we’d have eternal life.
Yet instead we live in a world full of disease poverty and troubles.
That’s hardly a reason to be thanking Adam and Eve.

[ryanadams]

@Saints just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12). The effects of the Fall are numerous and far reaching. Sin has affected every aspect of our being. It has affected our lives on earth and our eternal destiny.

One of the immediate effects of the Fall was that mankind was separated from God. In the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve had perfect communion and fellowship with God. When they rebelled against Him, that fellowship was broken. They became aware of their sin and were ashamed before Him. They hid from Him (Genesis 3:8-10), and man has been hiding from God ever since. Only through Christ can that fellowship be restored, because in Him we are made as righteous and sinless in God’s eyes as Adam and Eve were before they sinned. “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Because of the Fall, death became a reality, and all creation was subject to it. All men die, all animals die, all plant life dies. The “whole creation groans” (Romans 8:22), waiting for the time when Christ will return to liberate it from the effects of death. Because of sin, death is an inescapable reality, and no one is immune. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23). Worse still, we not only die, but if we die without Christ, we experience eternal death.

Another effect of the Fall is that humans have lost sight of the purpose for which they were created. Man’s chief end and highest purpose in life is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever (Romans 11:36; 1 Corinthians 6:20; 1 Corinthians 10:31; Psalm 86:9). Hence, love to God is the core of all morality and goodness. The opposite is the choice of self as supreme. Selfishness is the essence of the Fall, and what follows are all other crimes against God. In all ways sin is a turning in upon oneself, which is confirmed in how we live our lives. We call attention to ourselves and to our good qualities and accomplishments. We minimize our shortcomings. We seek special favors and opportunities in life, wanting an extra edge that no one else has. We display vigilance to our own wants and needs, while we ignore those of others. In short, we place ourselves upon the throne of our lives, usurping God’s role.

When Adam chose to rebel against his Creator, he lost his innocence, incurred the penalty of physical and spiritual death, and his mind was darkened by sin, as are the minds of his successors. The apostle Paul said of pagans, “Since they do not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, He gave them over to a depraved mind” (Romans 1:28). He told the Corinthians that “the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so that they cannot see the light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God” (2 Corinthians 4:4). Jesus said, “I have come into the world as a light so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness” (John 12:46). Paul reminded the Ephesians, “You were once in darkness but now you are in the light of the Lord” (Ephesians 5:8). The purpose of salvation is “to open the eyes [of unbelievers] and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God” (Acts 26:18).

The Fall produced in humans a state of depravity. Paul spoke of those “whose consciences are seared” (1 Timothy 4:2) and those whose minds are spiritually darkened as a result of rejecting the truth (Romans 1:21). In this state, man is utterly incapable of doing or choosing that which is acceptable to God, apart from divine grace. “The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so” (Romans 8:7).

Without the supernatural regeneration by the Holy Spirit, all men would remain in their fallen state. But in His grace, mercy and loving-kindness, God sent His Son to die on the cross and take the penalty of our sin, reconciling us to God and making eternal life with Him possible. What was lost at the Fall is reclaimed at the Cross.

[joshuakruntorad]

I can't think of anything Satan would want more than for humans to think the Fall is a good thing...
"Woe unto them who call good evil and evil good"--Isaiah 5:20

[danielblakeney]

In the LDS framework, do people not have original sin because of the Atonement? Or is the lack of original sin predate the atonement? The reason I ask is because I'm not sure what it is Christ's atonement actually accomplishes in an LDS framework. Or is it that his sacrifice allows for the sins we commit ourselves to be forgiven freely? Also, how would you compare the lack of original sin with the Pelagian heresy? (I use heresy as a reference, not as me personally condemning it as so) I would really love an LDS response to this because I genuinely want your perspective if you feel led to respond.

[henrylafromboise]

Why is it Adam and eve wait to have children until after they

[lilyquists]

this is apologetics for Satan, revisionist history for Satan.

"you know Eve following Satan was actually good!"

listen to Jesus in Matthew 18:6, Mark 9:42, and Luke 17:2 and you will see that a fall should not be seen as a good opportunity.

it was precisely because Satan convinced Eve that the fall was a good opportunity that she made the mistake.

you are coming after the fact and basically saying, "you know Satan was kind of right"

the fall nailed Jesus to the cross.

if you love Jesus as I have heard some Mormons say they do,

then you would not trivialize or celebrate what He paid for in His blood and suffering.

You cannot love someone and celebrate what led to that person's blood, suffering, and death.

[JeanlucDang]

Was the fall a good thing? In traditional Christianity…no. The fall resulted in death entering the world. God in His omniscience foreknew this would happen and a contingency plan in Christ was prepared (Gen. 3:14-15), in order to deliver from death those who would repent of their sins and turn to reliance in the Lord.

There is a problem with 2 Nephi 2:14-22. It states that if Adam did not transgress against God then all things would remain the same, including the innocent state of Adam and Eve that apparently kept them from procreating. Returning to the Bible we read in Gen. 1:28 “ And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply” (KJV). The conundrum here is that the BoM claims that procreation was impossible without the fall. However, in the Bible, God ordains sex between man and woman before the fall ending the creation account with the words, “And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.” We know that sin or “transgression” is NOT GOOD. Yet God proclaimed the act of making love (at least for procreation) as GOOD. But the BoM suggests that Adam and Eve needed to enter into a sinful state before hand. Why would God make the command to be “fruit full and multiply” if Adam and Eve were not in the condition to do so?

The other issue is that Satan would have known God’s plan for the salvation of the world according to Mormon theology. If Satan, who made a bid to be the savior of world, knew that the only path to divine ascent for humanity would be to ensure that death would enter reality through the partaking of the fruit from the tree of knowledge, why would he encourage the task if his goal is to keep people from God now that he is fallen?

The truth is, there are many problems and contradictions with the Mormon scriptures. We are naturally opposed to God. But the good news is God has ensured a way to return to fellowship with Him. The true Gospel message is not one of works but of faith and FAITH ALONE, that serves as our justification after Christ’s sacrifice. The sacrifice was needed in order to rescue our broken world. Christ was the only person who could bear the wrath of God because He is God. And He is the only one that can forgive our sins.

[denisewhite-jndp]

The plan had to fail in order for it to work.

[ernestmarcucella]

What happened to the Name of The 3 Mormons.?

[michaeljames]

The fall was a good thing? Let’s try and tell that to every little boy and girl who is molested. Or let’s try and tell that to every wife who’s husband was killed at war. Or every mom who has lost a child to cancer. You all realize that the fall is the reason for every bad thing that takes place here on earth? How can that possibly be a good thing? It was not God’s plan for sin and evil to come into his perfect world. To say the fall is a good thing is to say God is the author of sin. This is blasphemy!