What if Japan invaded the USSR in WW2?

First, let me get the problems out of the way from this scenario. Telling Japan to just invade the Soviet Union is like telling the Ultranationalist Germans and the Fuhrer to simply develop nukes, despite it being considered by them Jewish science.

Or like telling the Germans to not build the concentration camps during the war, and so on. Basically, these things are characteristic to the Ultranationalist Ideology, and saying that they don’t do them is just impossible to happen.

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[familygash]

01:48 *FUN FACT:* During World War II, Poland (well, Poland's exiled government) did actually declare war on Japan following the attack on Pearl Harbour. But the crazy thing is that Japan actually rejected Poland's declaration of war.

[Maltheus_]

I know this nit-picky, but would Poland really be awarded all German lands up to the Oder river? I mean, as far as I know that was entirely Stalin's doing and against the will of the US and UK, so if the Allies liberates Poland instead wouldn't it be kinda weird to just give Poland all of that land inhabited by Germans anyway? I seriously doubt the US and UK and probably even France would be for a forced migration of the German population from those lands. Idk to me it doesn't really seem logical to give Poland anything more than East Prussia and Upper Silesia in this timeline, since those areas already had a large Polish population.

Edit: If Germany would get occupied by the victors after the war like in our timeline, maybe Poland would get an occupation zone of their own to administer in eastern Germany instead of the Russian getting one. Perhaps the UK, France and the US would get to occupy roughly the same amount of German land as in our world plus the land west of the Oder from the Soviet zone (basically all that was East Germany irl), while Poland would get to occupy/de-nazify everything to the east. Anyway this scenario was probably a 7/10 on the realism scale despite my nit-pick.

[stargazer-elite]

I’d say 8/10 in realism but I find it very interesting

[schpitzkomander]

The Japanese tank and armored divisions were simply too weak in order to successfully invade the USSR which was the main reason they lost during the border conflict at Khalkhin Gol. Even in the 1941 scenario when most of the Soviets were already fighting against the Germans westward the Japanese forces would most likely took over Vladivostok, North Sakhalin and Kamchatka but will still be unable to advance deep into Siberia and the Soviets will not have the chance to withdraw their Siberian reserve in order to counter attack at Moscow leading to better German gains in the East. The Japanese however would become much more weaker and vulnerable for eventual Allied intervetion since most of their strategic resources were imported from US and the Dutch East Indies which in this timeline will remain under Allied control. So Japan could posibly colapse much earlier due to its chronic lack raw materials and the bad industrial outputs.

[Astro_Mickey]

I’m actually writing a alternate history piece on Alternative History Wikia, call “Communist World”. In it I have Japan joining the Central Powers, and in a series of events following, get control of much of Southeast Asia almost 10 years prior in our time line, giving them the resources to invade the USSR in 1941.

[JustJ_KK]

I probably won’t be able to watch it live as I will be at a retreat
Edit : actually I will be able to watch it as I will be driving there at 13:00 GMT

[danielsantiagourtado]

Can't wait! Huge fan of your work 😊😊😊❤❤❤

[FelidaeEnjoyer]

Before I watch this, some realistic notes of mine for the people that care about that instead of plain fun:
Japan wouldn't have gone to a full scale offensive war. Seize some coastal ports, and vladivostok around when germany's approaching stalingrad and is about to 'win' the war? Yeah, makes sense, ussr can't fight back because they're busy on the western front. But they wouldn't push to siberia, to the banana lake or tuva or anywhere near, they wouldn't have enough success in china to even afford a single armys' cold clothing.
Take in account vehicles breaking down, local resources and supply hubs being scarce, and then pulling men from china, it's essentially an army of 500 thousand canadians taking a light stroll through the sahara while quebec is in open revolt, except there's no tribals to steal from in siberia (compared to the sahara).
This 'invasion' would be closer to a prolonged illegal land seize, comparable to 2014.
BUT, when the soviets win the war in the west and invade japanese holdings (as they did historically) then they'll probably get hokkaido, or just plain complete control of kuril no buts or maybes. But, kuril's not a big bonus for losing vladivostok, so com china will probably get more land, and north korea too.

They might also, though 99% JUST an 'or', get a small north japanese occupied state, which would be actually affect the world in a definable matter compared to faster mao victory or the renaming of hokkaido to south sakhalin. . . Until the japanese take it back in 1992, maybe a gdp or two down.

Edit: Grammar
Edit 2, now that I've watched the videos: If japan tries to take the trans-siberian railroad, they'll only get so far. They only have so much time before america joins, and china starts pushing back. If they waste enough resources on the front, they'll make it to oyrot, northeast of khazakstan. AND, those final european borders are literally impossible for a 'peaceful world' the soviets would prob lose like 35 million men here, not 27 as historical. All that, for hokkaido. If, somehow, these borders happen, whether it be winston churchill staying in power or what (dude that came after him was a soviet union fanboy), then there would have been a third world war. Realistically, the soviets are still a major power that last _35 million men_ for an island or 2. Poland, romania, hungary and slovakia at the median, probably czeckia too. The different would be: no temp austrian holdings, no 'temp' german holdings, no bulgaria, and probably some adjustments in east asia. There's a reason hoi4 has war score for casualties taken, not only is it well-balanced (if done right) it's also realistic. 6/10 for realism, maybe 8 for fun

[zlatanbogdanovic]

It's most likely going to result in Japan being split in half. South being Democratic and North being Communist. Maybe, if the Axis win WW2, we could have the Russian Fascist Party being in charge of Siberia, but being most likely under Japanese control but at a cost of them loosing places like Indonesia or maybe even Indochina.
Mihajlo Bogdanović

[danielsantiagourtado]

Hearth please! Huge fan of your work! Suggestion: Gran Colombia survives🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴

[AoMohammed]

Can you make an alternate version of your zapadoslavia video where the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth was formed?

[treyebillups]

I really don't think Japan would succeed in seizing all of the Trans-Siberian Railroad

[PaoloCavestro-eybb]

What if Europe, Middle East, America and Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?

[IndoSlovenian-Animations]

Idea: What If The French United The Baltics (France uses French Memel to influence the baltics to use it as a base to invade the USSR or Germans just incase

[leonisavros]

If you knew he would follow the hoi4 Kodoha path when you saw a friendship with Poland like

[GuestMate]

Realism is 3 but the more unrealistic the more fun

[cadentrevino]

Poland would probably not get all of that land because it was largely german and the allies where not as enthusiastic about deporting ethnic groups

[KingdomofHainaut]

For the next one, could you do : "what if Austria kept Belgium after the Napoleonic wars?"

[dont_push_enter]

5.5/10 (sorry for bad english )mostly becose of poland wouldn't be able to take that many land without becoming german dominaned and they wouldn't take back est Poland as only 3 cities in region were polish majority: Lwiw, volhynia, Vilnius. Also most of polish people who historically settles west were living in sibir.

[robe]

You are one of my favorite youtubers, always enjoying your content