Hoi4: What if Japan Attacked the SOVIETS Instead? (Plan North)

Of all the what ifs, this is something that took a long time to play out. Japan was faced with many points in its story when things could have done differently. So what if they did?

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[generalaj]

What if the UK🇬🇧 didn’t appease Germany🇩🇪?

[lorekeeper]

What if Teddy Roosevelt was president during WW1 (Great War Redux Mod) only if you want to do mods, of course.

[ThatStenGuy]

The allies : Japans part of the Axis, they should be punished.
US : Hol' up, let them cook.

[lactosetheintolerant.]

What if operations unthinkable occurred?

( preferably playing as USA, also would recommend doing this in r56. )

[zegolden]

What if the funny mustache man listened to Rommel and focused the war in Africa instead of Barbarossa?

PS: Love your content, and this is from a book called *How H*tler could have won World War II. It’s a great book.

[CultureCrossed]

You did leave one thing out. Two thirds of Soviet aviation fuel came from the Allies- would the allies have sent them a bunch of fuel against the Japanese threat? In addition to all of the other Lend Lease they got. And with Vladivostok taken by the Japanese, the Soviets wouldn't have been able to receive a lot of/most of it. You just can't send as much overland/using planes as you can with a ship.

[ternel]

Couple things I disagree with this timeline.

First is lend lease from the Americans to the Soviets would most likely not occur in this situation since the Americans have no reason to get involved with the second Russo Japanese war. Without American factories to supplement soviet production, there is no way the soviets would be able to have the materials on hand to fight 2 wars like this, even if they fought with superior weapons.

Second, in our timeline the soviets had time to move their production east to the Urals which was beyond the German reach. In this scenario with forces already diverted east, it's likely the soviets wouldn't have had that time and would have their domestic production shattered which would have compounded their deficit in war material.

Without a Pearl Harbor event to get the Americans into the war, it is likely the US would have stayed out entirely. Without American support, North Africa might look very different and the British might have lost Cairo and the Canal.

Also note is that had the boarder skirmishes gone differently, it is likely that a certain General Zhukov would have either been killed on the field or even purged for failing to contain the Japanese, thus depriving the soviets of what in our timeline was one of their best commanders.

Finally, there is also the possibility that America actually lend leases Japanese efforts to destroy the soviets. Keep in mind the west did try to intervene in the Russian Civil war in the 1920s only to see the reds win over the whites. Now with the Germans in the west and the Japanese in the east, the Americans might be willing to support the Japanese efforts to destroy communism.

[samueltrusik]

What if Czechoslovakia sucessfully created the little entente?

[mertcanozkan]

I actually really like how you are explaining the historical context and what you are doing. Makes the video so much better in my opinion. Keep it up man.

[amxelcbis]

the "showa restoration" is actually what the kodoha faction advocated, so i think that's what they'd do historically. their song is even called the "ode to showa restoration".

[SwedieYT]

What if Norway and Sweden allowed the allies to cross their borders in order to help out Finland in The Winter War?

[HontounoShiramizu]

It should be noted that even after the invasion of China many voices in the Japanese military were calling for a joint invasion of the USSR with Nazi Germany. Those stopped after Ribbentrop-Molotov on the face of it making that proposition untenable (Germany never told Japanese officials of their plans for attack since in their hubris they believed a joint attack was unnecessary).

[mesa]

The way you setup and explain how things become alternate is my favourite part of the video! Keep it up!

[disasterratio]

What if France intervened in the Spanish Civil War?

[ashwynlentini]

What if Italy sided with the allies instead of the axis

[TheWolf]

the severity of your overestimation of the ussr is crazy. in your scenario, americans never show up to help, and with no far eastern ports, the lend-lease doesn't save them. the ussr would've definitely collapsed under pressure from both the japanese and the germans.

[LordDaret]

Wait, how would the USSR be able to hold off the Germans before they could capture all of the Soviet industry? Less men on the western front means more land gains faster for the Germans, and more factories would be captured before they move beyond the Urals, which means less weapons and resources. Plus this would force the USSR to maintain two very intensive supply chains, and the Japanese frontline would be in distant remote terrain where only so much material could be moved to. Sure, less would be encircled but it also means less would be available to defend.

Also since Japan doesn’t wake American up in December 1941, they don’t join the allies and coordinate effort or provide unrestricted support for the war effort. This also includes the USSR, which was viewed as being an evil aggressor because of their annexing of Baltic states. They received A LOT of equipment and food from the US, so the Soviet army would be very under equipped and under supplied. in such a timeline, the Soviets would be pushed all the way to the Urals by the Germans while the Japanese front would be stagnant but painful.

[mpevey]

I started watching all your vids during Covid because you were so good at explaining the subject matter you were covering so well. It kept me engaged and even better, kept me better informed. Keep up the wonderful work and I'm always looking forward to the next video!

[Spanishinquisition]

Im gonna keep going with this: What if Britian went fascist under mosley? or What if King Edward VIII didnt abdicate and formed the kings party?

[Robodroide-NPC]

What if Portugal honored the anglo-portuguese treaty and joined the allies?