Will you get Scurvy on a Carnivore Diet? Bart Kay Returns!

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What we cover in this discussion:
- Definitions of oxidation/reduction. General chemistry terms
- Formation of lipid peroxides, roles of endogenous anti-oxidants
- Historical experiments with vitamin C giving and indication of how much we really need.
-G6PD deficiency, implications for vitamin C dosing and consumption of Fava beans
-Evolutionary loss of GULO gene for vitamin C synthesis (bad vs good?).
-Potentially beneficial role for uric acid as a antioxidant in the human body.
-Connections between uric acid and glutathione
-Evidence we can use cold stress/exercise as hormetics, no need for plant molecules for this.
-Where to find Bart/Paul

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Oh how the times have changed for bart and pauls friendship

steakovercake
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I’d never heard of oxalates before so looked it up and first thing I came across was this... “Oxalate Can Reduce Mineral Absorption. One of the main health concerns about oxalate is that it can bind to minerals in the gut and prevent the body from absorbing them. For example, spinach is high in calcium and oxalate, which prevents a lot of the calcium from being absorbed into the body.” 😳 Reinforcing what was discussed here; I also read that one of the ways to reduce oxalates in the body (besides avoiding oxalate rich foods) is to limit vitamin C intake. By crikey, plant foods are looking worse and worse all the time to me. 😬 No wonder I feel so bloody good on the carnivore diet!! 💕

Ivy-xslz
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Great topic. Very interesting conversation. Thanks guys!

peterdarling
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"I dOn'T kNoW wHo ThAt Is"

qweety
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Doc always coming in and answering the questions I've had perfectly.

jonathanblake
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Great work guys! Love your idea to have your own podcast show!!!

eckhardtmilz
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A podcast interview with Dr Rhonda Patrick would be interesting since she is the queen of sulforaphrane!

kathycoe
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Thank you so much for this video. Vitamin C confusion is the only thing that was stopping me to 100% carnivore. Love the way I feel on carnivore diet but every other day I’ll consume something to get my vitamin C (like avocado broccoli) I’m back to being irrational explosive person.

marisha
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Wow! You are awesome Paul. I would love to see a debate between you and Dr. Rhonda Patrick discussing whatever ya'll want to discuss. I think it would be SO INTERESTING.

missloretta
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carnivore round table discussion! maybe we can rotate a 3rd guest in here every other week or so. tackle common questions about the carnivore diet

zpa
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Hey Paul. I have been on the carnivore diet for a while now and I love it, but I do get red and easily bleeding gums. Any idea whats up here? I can't figure it out.

crzycuyler
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Dang, I thought my browser tabs were out of control, but Dr. Saladino has me beat by a long shot! 😂

queserasera
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Great video! Any chance we could get some links to the papers discussed?

dougdipasquale
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Love to know how an electron donor becomes a stealer and why macrophages use Vit C as an antioxidant, also more about hydrophilic and lipid antioxidants- hope one of you guys run a biochem course one day. Thanks for the interview

freemocean
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Hey guys, your probably right but it does depend on situation. I know a Dr. Who is trying to combat sepsis when people are going through organ failure in bed on deaths door are giving high amounts of Vit C in IV form with IV antibiotics and are having life saving out comes... But daily I bet your right. These things are soooo interesting. Thx for vid!

scarletsummer
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Is Groun Beef from the grocery store "fresh" enough to stave off scurvy / Vit C Deficiency ?

LarsMith
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Not sure on the science here, so need some expert help. I started carnivore in 2004. Some years ago I found articles that showed Vit-C was used as a co-factor for the conversion of readily available proline and lyseine to the less common hydroxyproline and hydroxylyseine - needed for the completion of collagen. Hence the assumed necessity of vit-c. However, it was also shown that fresh meat/fish contain hydroxyproline and hydroxylyseine, which can be used to complete the collagen process, and hence bypasses the need for vit-c. That would nicely explain why vit-c is not needed by us as carnivores. It was also interesting that nearly every animal species on the planet can convert glucose into vit-c - the molecules are almost identical. I follow the podcast point that evolution selected for us not to need this conversion - further suggests that vit-c is not needed entirely. I don't think the argument that meat contains some vit-c is the correct answer, but more that we simply do not need it at all. Another article also showed that vit-c is re-cycled to some extent, which would explain why we would need so little, if we did need it. I didn't keep the article references.

crisbarrows
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Oh man, I used to be one of those people taking the 1 gram of vitamin C supplement per day, because I thought they were sour and tasty, until I realized it was giving me stabby bladder pains. I didn't need to know why exactly, I just made the connection and quit. But now I realize it was probably because of oxalate crystals!

missloretta
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Hey guys amazing topic I said before about say it again thank you for the free education you offer YouTube I'm a trainer and just Lovin to be empowered with education....

pacorodriguez
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It makes sense that, given uric acid having an antioxidant effect, the body would produce more uric acid in response to low glutathione status.

Very interesting.

Could it be that this situation along with lowered potential to clear uric acid (insulin resistance, fructose, etc.) could cause increased circulation of oxidized uric acid which accumulates differently in tissue/joints causing gout?

illiberalautist