Dr. James White Explains Difference between Determinism and Decree. They're NOT the Same!

#apologetics #decree #calvinism #theology
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[tgtengage]

Let me know what you think about Dr. Whites explanation.

[unapologeticapologetics]

This feels like a "Distinction in vocabulary without a difference in meaning or intent." The determinism is implied GIVEN White's definition of decree, which is presupposed rather than explained.

Add that to a presupposition on how Sovereignty is defined.

[JamesS]

Distinction without a difference. This is a meaningless answer.

[Tigerex]

Its the same thing people, and White is being openly dishonest here.

[TKK]

If God had determined everything in eternity past as opposed to decreeing it, what difference exactly could we expect?

[ElderMikeYourUrbanChurch]

🤦🏾‍♂️ Distinction without a difference.

[christopheravery]

After listening to this several times I have no idea what the difference is suppose to be. More important question would be where do we find “God is timeless” and a “timeless eternal decree” in scripture.

[foxtun]

hearing calvinist theology is like hearing a metal fork scratch a plate

[jjanowski]

James White is a master at word salad double-speak.

[michaelbarger]

God’s prescriptive will tells you to do one thing while God’s decreed will tells you to do something completely opposite…..so God is a schizophrenic, makes sense.

[BillyBob-smku]

He just basely asserts that Him entering time makes it not determinism.

[susanthroop]

They're the same. James....he's so verbose so as to disguise his inability to defend his Calvinism. Its really such babble and incoherent. He has to interject Leighton Flowers into the mix as the straw man argument when really its true. If God determines and decrees whatsoever comes to pass, then why would James push back on problems he has with the current culture.

[joshuawoodin]

As a provisionist, yes God has divine sovereignty, however determinism and Gods decree being different, is like saying water and H2O are different. And the inconsistency is astounding and can't help but take shots at flowers, highlighting inconsistency by everyone's favorite calvinist and can't see the log In his eye comparing flowers to greek philosophy and sees no parallel to platonic view of God which is thanks to augustinianism the calvinist view of the almighty, but no it's the non calvinists who want a greek philisophical kind of god, it takes non cowardly people in the calvinist camps to call out james white and the catholic camps to call out Sam shamoun, not being held accountable is a huge issue in christianity. Super sad to see petty attacks on other men, while you say no I won't debate you or talk with you because, whatever there excuses are now, probably an elect complex, sam shamoun says the same I won't talk to the dogs, when a "christian" has bad fruit its hard to not speak up or protect your own and engage in tribalism.

[michaelcolthart]

Distinction without difference…. Also, James must be an open theist now since he just claimed God is sequential.

[unapologeticapologetics]

Why would God's prescriptive will of God be so different from God's decreetive will? That makes it sound like God has contradictory wills. If God is divinely simple, then He would have one will.

[noneofyourbusiness]

He never explained any difference whatsoever, he just claimed there was one then explained the difference between God's determined will and His permissive will which is an entirely different discussion.

[Etruth]

White wants to seperate himself from determinism but historically he is not being honest in this video.

[Reclaimtherainbow_Gen]

Forewarning, I’m not asking this sarcastically, I’m just new. But is James implying that for God to be all knowing, he would need to decree all things? Because I was under the assumption that most Christians believe in an all-knowing God, but they don’t all necessitate that it requires His decreeing of every individual thing for Him to be all knowing.

[lex]

Please define time. If Jesus enters into time we need to define what time is.

[JStevensdk]

Lol, there is no difference between decree and determinism, whatever God decrees aka determines to happen will happen, and in Calvinism, God decrees aka determines EVERYTHING.

Calvinist's, is there anything that God does not decree aka determines? So we have partial free will then? What are some things God does and doesn't decree aka determines? Do you have any biblical support for any of this as a systematic?

God does can and has stepped into humanity and taken some direct actions, but there is zero biblical support for God decreeing aka determining EVERYTHING.

That is determinism, that is fatalism.

Leighton knows reality, he knows biblical fact and has refuted James for years now. James gives zero response here, he doesn't like the term, too bad, God does things personally? Who cares, that changes nothing about the facts of Calvinistic Determinism which is not the God of the Bible.