Carl Jung: The REAL REASON for Nietzsche's Madness

Carl Jung contributed to psychoanalysis in an important way, but that contribution to the field is inseparable from his engagement with Nietzsche. Jung derived a wealth of insights from Nietzsche’s work, and his psychological state that deteriorated into madness. Jung’s central hypothesis is that Nietzsche was possessed by an archetype. Such archetypal inflation was the result of a deep imbalance within Nietzsche’s psyche, springing from his rejection of the spiritual.

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[raymond_sycamore]

Usually watch your videos to fall asleep, but I'm commenting now to say I love the Jung, Nietzsche, and philosophy content.

[mouradmhm]

One significant factor contributing to Nietzsche's madness is the profound conflict between his ideals and his personal limitations. He championed a philosophy of unapologetic acceptance of life, yet he was an exceptionally sensitive individual. This sensitivity is evident in his writing at times. In "Ecce Homo, " he extols the concept of *amor fati*—the love of fate—but in the same work, he also states that the only excuse for God is that He doesn’t exist, revealing a deep-seated resentment towards the world. This internal contradiction between his philosophical aspirations and personal disposition likely exacerbated his mental struggles.

[miglriccardi]

I appreciate this podcast in so many ways. Your devotion to a single Philosopher with the wide-range and many angles you take to get at him stands out. Thoughtful, well-spoken, and not centered on you and your image make this a model for what YouTube could be.

[Laradicequadrata]

here we go boys, more of Jung and Nietzsche. You made my day

[alykathryn]

“That, I thought, was his morbid misunderstanding: that he [Nietzsche] fearlessly and unsuspectingly let his No. 2 loose upon a world that knew and understood nothing about such things.” . . .
“And he fell—tightrope-walker that he proclaimed himself to be--into depths far beyond himself. He did not know his way about in this world and was like a man possessed, one who could be handled only with the utmost caution.” (C. G. Jung, Memories, Dreams, Reflections)

“When Zarathustra had thus spoken, one of the people called out: ‘We have now heard enough of the rope-dancer; it is time now for us to see him!’ And all the people laughed at Zarathustra. But the rope-dancer, who thought the words applied to him, began his performance.”
“Zarathustra, however, looked at the people and wondered. Then he spake thus:
Man is a rope stretched between the animal and the Superman—a rope over an abyss.” (Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra)

[ryanrohn]

There is a depth of mystery one need never stop exploring, when it comes to the territory these 2 men dove into, at their own risk : it's a topic I'll never grow tired of.
Multiple readings of Jung's Memories Dreams Reflections and Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil, and Thus Spake Zarathustra.
So much yet still to wander through.
Excellent work with this presentation!

[allenandrews]

Man. I'm fascinated by what I call " compensatory display" and it relationship to how our immune system works on the biological level. So often we meet people who are compensating for an inner frustration or attempting to work something out on a deep personal level, but much like those biological systems, we can take it to far, and end up cannibalizing ourselves. I believe jung was definitley wise to notice this lack of integration in nietchze, and so many of us. Great presentation as always.

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Jung looks at Nietzsche how Nietzsche looks at Socrates

[alejandrotality]

I usually find it difficult to find good commentary on intellectual titans like Jung and Nietzschie because people speak about them as though they are super heroes, but listening to you makes me feel like both Jung and Nietzschie as just people.

Don't get me wrong, I still find both of them to be true sages, but now that I see them as more human figure, their knowledge feels more understandable now.

Thank you for the podcast, it was genuinely illuminating

[entriun]

Hello hello thinkers. I would recommend to all of you the book "Nietzsche and Jung: The Whole Self in the Union of Opposites" by Lucy Huskinson. The book is derived from her doctoral thesis. What is important in this work is something similar to the content of this video - the similarities and differences in the thoughts of these two. Additionally, the book is an excellent review of all works by Nietzsche and all works by Jung through the prism of the "struggle" of opposites. The book also provides a good insight into the pre-Socratics, such as Heraclitus. There is a thread that connects these things and I think it leads very interestingly and intuitively to Bergson, Deleuze, and I will highlight Whitehead with his "philosophy (theology) of process". Finally, you should know: Support for this channel also from Serbia, I will try to spread the commendable work of this channel. Bravo!

[scribblingmuch]

Nietzsche changed the direction of my life. I love the measured reason with which Jung brings clarity to Nietzsche's very emotional philosophy, that is so experiential an absorbing. Thank you for this. I was fortunate to have met one of Carl Jung s associates before he died. The reverence he held for Jung and the companionship of those that worked with him was something I will always remember.

[sethmortimer]

Lately it occurs to me that Neitzshe was one of the few philosophers who lived as he thought. His final years were famously spent in silence categorised by commentators as an mental illness of unknown aetiology. What if this was not pure "will" to explore the precipice and become anchorite. Oh and there it's now talked about in this post.

[davidkinney]

I think there's enough documentation about Nietzsche's physical illness driving him into ?insanity? to say Jung and many others unfairly judge his insanity as a pure insanity unaffected by illness. In truth I believe Freud and Jung were far more indebted to Nietzsche than they wanted to admit. He was a brilliant thinker with concepts that opened their eyes. I prefer to think of Nietzsche as Walter Kaufman did as deserving to be known as a great thinker.

[joleaneshmoleane]

56:44 I love measuring someone’s soul based on how much truth they can tolerate. After the last few years I appreciate and value so much more than before, someone’s ability to handle difficult truths about our reality. I never realized how few people can actually handle the truth whole truth. I figured it was maybe 40-50% of people that could be described that way. But after the pandemic and all of the other revelations, revelations about our governments and institutions, the way the world works, over the last decade I realize it’s more like 5-10% of the population that can actually stand the truth.

[MichaelRobertson-if]

Being 74 years old and my Grandmother was a Lutheran from Germany heritage while my Grandfather was Danish and he lived to the age of 91 . He would tell me stories about his childhood and his life until I was 23 years old. I have his old Double barrel 16 ga. Shotgun and his fly rod being made of split bamboo and the flys he made. Being the oldest of 7 children I feel so Blessed to have known all of my Grandparents and my brothers have asked me about them. My Grandparents on my Mothers side were German females and Irish and Danish on the Male side. I told German when I was in Junior High School . Thank you for giving me the opportunity to express myself. Personally I have become a Gnostic and follow The Book of Enoch, I only wish that my Grandfather could have seen these writings.

[Artteacher]

Thanks for looking at this from all sides. I was fortunate to have Dr. Marion Woodamn as a high school English Teacher for five years. In my graduate year, she left teaching to attend the Jungian Institute in Switzerland. Later, she became an international icon in Jungian Psychology, an analyst, and the author of five books.
I was raised a Christian, so I understood well the opposite views of Philosophy and Psychology. She would talk about them from time to time. Certainly, when entering university, I was way ahead of the game due to her teaching, which most had no clue about.
I actually entered therapy, and the Dr said I was obsessed with the mind. Much due to it was the waters I was raised in.
I always emphasized that one, when reading Nietzsche, should first read the great works he challenges or inverted as his personification of the antichrist that came before him. I want you to know that you are well presenting the philosophers who influenced Nietzsche. IT IS IMPORTANT! Many read Nietzsche as a comic book hero and hang on his every word rather than critically sorting it through to see the underlying works he changed from its religious and philosophical form into psychology.
Many use the term inflated in everyday language, though in its proper context, as you refer to Jungs analytical view as a persona identification with an archetype. Nietzsche's persona identifies with the saviour complex (Christ) and wisdom ( Sophocles), wanting to cause a paradigm shift by knocking the pillars down rather than as a bridge. He, in fact, horrified the reader through his violent obsession. Jung has the psychologist tempter to absorb and listen before analyzing what he is trying to say.
Your wording as a skit of the story of Abraham is biased toward Nietzsche; you have God telling the man to kill his child. Though he left out the angel's voice ( as in the Bible), it became his enlightened consciousness, raising him from the unconscious to consciousness. In psychological terms, ego awareness is where he chooses not to, as in Jung's psychology. Nietzsche would have no part of consciousness.
Thanks again.

[kevindame]

This is a perfect lecture as a pre-requisite to actually reading Zarathustra. Well done thank you for this information!

[jrfii-yt]

Looking forward to your future content. I'm excited for the broader topics you mentioned at the end of this video.

[heythomasj]

Don’t think for a second that I didn’t notice your mentions of ‘Synchronicity” and the “Material World” within seconds of one another. Bravo, sir.

[Christopher-gdz]

Fabulous program.I am so deep into this program. The day after Orthodox Easter Pascha.
The Church is darkened at Midnight and a one holy flame ignites all the candles and the members walk by in procession circular-everyone must leave the Church and the Priest is the one last out. On returning, he bangs the wooden cross loudly 3x on the door and shouts Open the Door! The members follow him back to the transformed Church.