Why Total Depravity Is Not Biblical #calvinism

Jordan talks with Alana L, a 19-year former Calvinist about why it's not a bad thing to doubt and question theological systems and doctrines like Calvinism.

Discussing Romans 9 and Calvinism with Alana L.

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[Greg-ke]

Dude is arguing people are born "good"? Children do not have to be taught to lie, steal, or be selfish. They have to be taught not to.

[IsaOscar]

There's no man that didn't choose sin over God naturally.

[mcredeyes]

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave;
they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 in their paths are ruin and misery,
17 and the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For by works of the law no human being[c] will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. Romans 3:11-20

[cordsman]

So the folks in this video are not only denying the doctrines of grace, but the doctrine of original sin as well? You don’t have to be a Calvinist to be my brother in the faith, but you place yourself outside the faith if you deny that we are all born naturally fallen and sinful as the sons and daughters of Adam.

[OC]

John 6:44 :No one can come to me unless the father draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day." Very clear.

[ecuador]

When we say that man is depraved, we are not saying there is no good in man. What we are saying is that there is no good in man that pleases God.

[Raisin_]

This is wild, bro hasnt read the bible "you were dead in your sins"

[gerardgmz]

In my case, i was so lost i truly needed God's miraculous intervention for salvific faith.

[hoseagommer-lgtf]

It's actually very prideful to say something like, you can come to Christ by yourself.

[igregmart]

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (Romans 3.10-12)

"Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." (Psalm 51.5)

"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies." (Psalm 58.3)

There's a lot more, shall I continue?

[Declared-righteous]

Romans 3:9–13 (NASB95): all under sin;
10 as it is written,
“There is none righteous, not even one;
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,

[Octoberst]

I doubt she was ever into Reformed into reform theology

[larrybedouin]

Amen.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to *all men*

*Teaching us* that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, *in this present world*

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of *the great God* and our Saviour *Jesus Christ*
{Titus 2:11-12}

[MichaelGreenway-zhwi]

The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately wicked: who can know it?

[yvonnedoulos]

Like Alanna said, when you read Romans & Ephesians in the context that Paul intended rather than with the Calvinistic lenses on, Calvinism is refuted.

The key is, however, one must be willing to remove the Calvinistic lenses. One must humble themself and try to understand from a different perspective. One must set aside their pride and pray for the Lord to show them any error in their theology.

Not many Calvinists, or non-Calvinists, for that matter, are interested in doing that; searching for God’s Truth in His Word.

[teologiareformata-posttenebras]

The irony is that when people atack the doctrine of total depravity, by doing that they prof actually the doctrine to be true. Because humans are depraved, they believe that they are not depraved.
God bless

[johntrevett]

Based on quite a few dialogues/debates, my best guess is that many people so strongly oppose Calvinism because they hate the idea that they are not in control. They despise the idea that their faith was predestined. They loathe the concept that God choosing them had anything to do with them coming to Christ for salvation. Simply put, they want to think that they are fully in control of their own eternal destiny. They chose to receive Christ as Savior. And for many, they adamantly hold onto the idea that they can also choose to reject Christ as Savior after previously trusting in Him for salvation.

What Calvinism haters do not understand, or refuse to accept, is that God's absolute sovereignty does not negate the fact that we are still absolutely responsible for our actions. Yes, God elects people to salvation (Romans 8:29-30). At the same time, we must believe in Christ to be saved (John 3:16). The two are not mutually exclusive. Both are true. Everyone whom God has chosen will believe, and everyone who believes is chosen by God. Admitting that you cannot perfectly understand the mind of God is the only way to come to a biblical balance on this issue (Romans 11:33-34). Calvinists do not have a perfect understanding of how things work, but there is no denying, biblically speaking, that God is absolutely sovereign in salvation.

[Philip]

Im sorry but they are both wrong. Paul describes the heart of man. Its dangerous to say man alone have some good in them

[ckirby]

”…he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life (because we are spiritually dead) to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.“
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬

”And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive…”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬

Being spiritually dead isn’t a question just for Calvinists- it’s a biblical truth no matter what soteriological perspective you have.

[thelordschannel]

This guy is false. “No man can come to me except the Father draw him”