Mary the Mother of God: A Model of Lay Contemplative Life, Part 1 - Thomas Keating

[vonfeldeasociadoss.a.]

Precious! Learning a bit every day! Thanks Father Thomas!

[cloveravery]

I love this talk. It's possibly my favourite of all Father Keating's videos, though I have to say the false self ones are the most instructive for me at this phase of my journey.

[demsyciu]

Luke 1:38 (KJV) "And Mary said, Behold the HANDMAID OF THE LORD; BE IT UNTO ME ACCORDING TO THY WORD. And the angel departed from her."

Mary is submitted to God, it's not that God will do what Mary ask, but Mary will do what God ask.

If You believe Jesus is God, You will believe that it's not Jesus will do what Mary ask, but it's Mary will says "BE IT UNTO ME ACCORDING TO THY WORD."

Luke 1:46-47 (KJV) "And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
And my spirit hath rejoiced IN GOD MY SAVIOUR."

Luke 2:11 (KJV) "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a SAVIOUR, which is CHRIST the Lord."

A SAVIOUR from what?

Matthew 1:21 (KJV) "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for HE SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS."

[mottledbrain]

This seemed promising, but as soon as I heard "centering prayer" I knew I might be entering dangerous territory.
Bo more for me.
Dominus vobiscum,
Reg

[mateposinoff]

Lord Jesus Christ Son of God ( and Mary ;p )
Have Mercy On All Of Us
Idiots, Fools, in our Sin +++

[carolynwood]

Mary IS the Mother of God. Jesus is both fully divine and fully human, the manifestation of God on Earth. The Holy Trinity is ONE person. Through Mary's Consent to the Divine God, the the Holy Spirit entering her, and the mixing of Gods divinity with her human genetics, was born the Divine Human. This is how God wanted it, he was born human and flesh with his divine spirit to redeem this world and walk the earth as a man. Mary is HIS mother, she was chosen by God, with her consent to carry the Divine in her womb . She said YES. She gave her body over to Gods Will. Through her a new church was made, a new Eve, and the first true Christian. She laid down her life as a perfect vessel with perfect love. To those who argue that she could not be the Mother of God because "God" chose her to carry his "Son", you need to understand with a deeper intellect. God is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the End, "He" is outside of time and space, and gender for that matter. He chose his mother from the beginning, he knew how everything would play out. As soon as we fell from Eden He had a plan. Mary was there from the beginning to the end of her divine Son's human life. She prompted him to perform his first miracle when there was no wine, when others abandoned him remained steadfast, She stood at his feet on the cross. She embodies not only the perfect Christian, but also the new Eden. Her body was made perfect and pure to carry and birth Human Redemption in the Flesh, to bring about paradise once more. She awakens in us the first sign of our divine saviour in the flesh through Her Body. She is surely worthy of our veneration and prayers for intercession, her spirit is one of great strength, purity, and devotion to God the "Trinity". Her genetic body contributed all of Gods Human DNA.
Jesus told his disciples to behold his mother as "their"mother. Aren't we all disciples? We are to look to Mary as "our" Mother. She brings us to her son with the deep love and devotion only a mother can carry! She truly is the blessed mother, the bride of the holy spirit, the Mother of God, and the example of a free yet submissive love to the divine Creator.

[raywest]

Mary purge me of my lust and impurity. I need you now more than ever

[cbooth]

Does the Bible say Mary is the mother of God? Uh, NO!! At Luke 1:31, 35, the angel says to Mary: "Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God."

So, was Mary the mother of God? No. Instead, she was to become the mother of the _Son_ of God.

[justincrow]

Mary or as the egyptians called her Isis is the representation of nature, she is represented by women or female life forms. by the end of the pagan age, Isis has subsumed the identity of most other female goddesses in that region. if you study the ancient poets and mystery religious you will always find the same references and attributes connected to a prehistoric female deity cult that embodied the aspects of nature. later on during the enlightenment age isis was agian refurbished to symbolize science trying to understand nature by lifting the veil of ignorance that continually shouds nature, later still she was refurbished as Mary to help convert pagans. that is why statues of isis are always cloaked in a veil of black covered by stars. she was also refered to the queen of space because she was seen as embodying the space whitched contained the universe as a mother bears her child within herself. the male diety embodying light or spirit. it is more correct to view the goddess as a conglomeration of things and intelligence which is why she is best known for being represented by so many different deities. in the Egyptian myths, she is, in fact, the most powerful god because she tricked Ra or the incarnation of Amun into giving her his name which contained his power. she is the great sorceress who presides over all the affairs of the gods and men having assumed the role of the primary deity. in reality, she is part of a dyad being half male and half female and perhaps a better way of looking at it is half positive and half negative, negative being of the creative type containing all things. in ancient Egypt the true way of worshiping Isis was through ritual that later became the foundation of science. this is because it is only by science or the rigorous study of nature that man can ever hope to lift her mantle of shining stars banishing his own ignorance by adhering to a lifelong study of causality inherent in mathematics, history, an psychology. the mother goddess cult is the oldest religion known to man second to animism which states that all things contain within them a spirit or structure of coherence. our own consciousness is, therefore, a conglomeration of wills and drives that manifest from patterns of complexity, order and disorder. even in the Asian Taoism there is the reference to the forest mother. the myths of the male and female dieties is one that can be found in all cultures and all religions, every man is an incarnation of the masculine diety and every woman is an incarnation of the feminine diety, and yet within both contain both aspects thought time the story of their relationship is retold in songs, in poems, in movies, and in stories. their relationship told over and over and over again ingrained within mankind's subconscious. in every duet, their song is sung, in every mystery the clues that lead trace back over millennia to the first woman who sowed the seeds that would become the foundation of agriculture setting the stage for civilization itself. hinting that women were responsible for farming and therefore also for the cities that would become the powerhouse of human history. this is why agriculture is connected to the female goddess time and time again. at her feet the golden wheat grows, in her hands a vase pouring out the waters of fertility and creation.

[terencewinters]

Mertons prayer " lord, I don't know where I am going... reflects this Marian surrender to God's will. Great faith and trust in the Lord's omniscience. This Mary Elizabeth bond is a fulfillment of 2 promises . That to Mary and to Elizabeth who as an elder sister cousin was bonded friend in the mystery of life and the incarnation and Jesus herald John the Baptist. " from these stones God can raise even the children of Abraham " . Matthew 3:9. Ontogenesis is not impossible for an omniscient God per asexual reproduction. But one with a soul is miraculous from consciousness, awareness, of God. The unitive way known to Mary.

[lettherebelight]

1 Tim. 2: 5. There is ONE God. NOT 3.

Yahweh and Yahshua are 2 separate beings.

Yahshua ALONE is GOD.

Yahshua is The SON of Yahweh. Mat. 3: 17. Mark . 14: 61 - 62.

Yahweh is Yahshua's Father and Yahshua's GOD. John 20 : 17.

Bless you.

[pegasus]

Mary was not the mother of God . God was the farther if Mary .

God created mother Mary and used her to incarnate onto earth and live an earthly life as the man called Jesus .

Only God has the power to create life humans can channal life but cannot create life only God can so God is Mary's farther .

God is farther to all if us

[demsyciu]

1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV)  "For there
is ONE God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, THE MAN Christ Jesus;"

If Jesus is God, and the scripture says there's only one mediator, between God and men, which is Jesus Himself.

So how can be another mediator between Jesus (which is God) and men, since Jesus is the mediator and God?

Because Jesus is God, so the mediator between Jesus (as God) and men is Jesus himself, the man Christ Jesus, not others men nor women.

With that, there's no men nor women qualified to become a mediator between God (Holy Trinity) and men, if you believe Jesus is God!

[DIBBY]

I don't think this is history, but allegory.

[TuyenPham-jmeq]

The Council of Ephesus proclaimed in 431 that Mary truly became the Mother of God. To many Christians, however, Mary can not be the mother of God for God has no beginning and no end. So to those who objected this proclamation, I have these to share:

First, Jn 3:16, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.”
Here, Christians should ask these two questions:
1. How did God give his only Son to the world?
2. Did God give the world his only Son as one whole, undivided person, or did God give the world only a portion of his only Son?
To question #1, God gave his only Son to the world through Mary. To question #2, God gave the world his only Son wholly and undivided.

So, through Mary, the second person of the Holy Trinity entered this world and became man by taking on human flesh and a human soul in the womb of Mary. For this reason, Jesus is true God and true man. In His person are united both a divine nature and human nature. Mary gave birth to this true God and true man person; she is the Mother of God. To say that Mary gave birth only to the ‘man Jesus’ is to say that God did not give the world his only Son.

Second, though the Son of God has no beginning and no end, “for us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit, he became incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.” This means, at some point in time between eternity and eternity, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity comes down from heaven, becomes incarnate of the Virgin Mary and becomes man. This point in time belongs to God, and when it comes, God creates Mary, the handmaid of the Lord, to fulfill his plan. This point in time is the time which St. Paul wrote:Gal 4: 4-5, (4) But when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, (5) to ransom those under the law, so that we might receive adoption. So Mary did not create the divine person of Jesus, who existed with the Father from all eternity. Rather, when the fullness of time came, the divine person of Jesus came down from heaven, united himself to one egg in Mary’s womb and became man. This man, therefore, must be truly man and truly God. Since Mary gave birth to this truly man and truly God person; she truly is the mother of God.

If Mary did not give birth to Jesus who is true God and true man, then who became man? Who became incarnate of the Virgin Mary? If the divine person of Jesus did not unite himself to one egg in Mary’s womb and became man, how did the Word became flesh? Where and how did the incarnation take place? Therefore, those who believed that Mary gave birth only to the man Jesus and the divine Jesus united himself to this man afterward denied the mystery of the incarnation; they believed in possession instead.

Third,
- Before Mary became pregnant, the angel clearly said to her that the Son she will conceive is the Son of the Most High, not a mere regular man. Lk 1:31, 32, (31) Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus. (32) He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give to him the throne of David his father, ”
- While Mary was pregnant, filled with the Holy Spirit, Elizabeth proclaimed that Mary is the mother of God. Lk 1:42, 43, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. (43) And how does this happened to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”
- An angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, Mat 1:20, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit; she will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.
- The night Mary gave birth to Jesus, the angel, again, proclaimed that the child Jesus is our Savior, the Messiah and Lord. Lk 2:10, 11, (10) And the angel said to them, "Be not be afraid; for behold, I proclaim to you good news of great joy that will be for all the people; (11) for today in the city of David a Savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord.
So to reject Mary as being Mother of God is to deny the truth written in the Gospel according to Lk 1:31-32, 42-43; 2:10-11; and Mat 1:20. To reject Mary as being Mother of God is to deny also that Jesus Christ come in the flesh. To these St. John wrote: 1-Jn 4:2-3, “(2) This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh belongs to God, (3) and every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus does not belong to God. This is the spirit of antichrist, as you heard, is to come, but in fact is already in the world.”

Finally, since it is written that the angel proclaimed that the child born of the Virgin Mary is the Son of the Most High; he is the Messiah, our Savior and our Lord. It is also written that Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and proclaimed that Mary is the Mother of God; by proclaiming that Mary truly become the Mother of God, the Catholic Church did no more than reaffirming what was already written in the Bible.

[pegasus]

Mary was not the mother of God . God was the farther if Mary .

God created mother Mary and used her to incarnate onto earth and live an earthly life as the man called Jesus .

Only God has the power to create life humans can channal life but cannot create life only God can so God is Mary's farther .

God is farther to all if us

[rubymeagher]

Father Thomas, I am praying for you as you go through this season of your life.

[watchesinthewild]

When will Catholics finally realize that Mary is God?!

[nancybellini]

I luv these... but I don’t get the teachings in any sensible order... help?

[integralherbalism]

Thanks for this one...I'm waiting, seated by my own wall, seemingly without agency to get through and not knowing what lies on the other side...and maybe I'm also dwelling in the womb, waiting to be birthed from a place of safety that I experience only as darkness and constriction, un-named sadness, agitation, disconnection.... I'm asking god/gods/Buddha to handle it as all answers are beyond my grasp and wait...let go....surrender...fall and fall and fall into mystery...