Great Empire of the Dawn: Asshai'i Atlantis

The original Great Empire of the Dawn video hit 200k, so let's celebrate and talk about how Atlantis mythology influenced both Asshai / the Great Empire of the Dawn as well as Valyria!

[wootwoot]

Absolutely love this. Fictional ancient civilization lore is chef’s kiss

[baldessaria]

Wait a minute... The sun's son stole a fiery carriage, couldn't control it and it ended in disaster? Sounds like Quentyn trying to mount Dany's dragons 🤔

[antjestube]

Maybe the ASoIaF version of "where there is smoke, there is fire" might be "where there is a natural disaster, there is a moon meteor"?

[DragonRebornn]

I think, that The Wheel of Time did a perfect job of representing a lost civilization. In my mind the best, instead of a civilization, it was a whole age in time. The 2nd Age in the WoT; Technology and Magic worked in harmony with each, there was no war. World peace for everyone, before “The Breaking” and then the loss of what they knew as humanity and technology during “The Collapse”. It is absolutely amazing, in the books they wonder what a time like that was like. It seems alien to them. Very awesome video man!

[DoVisenya]

I love all the Atlantis stuff and the idea that past civilizations had knowledge that was lost to us. Have you ever heard about the Antikythera Mechanism? It was an amazing clockwork device meant to calculate position of sun, moon and some stars, and it was probably created in first or second century BC!

[mormontsraven]

How do you feel about the theory that Amethyst Empress' father, the Opal Emperor married a woman from a matriarchal society (Leng)? This would be why the Amethyst Empress is the first Empress in the ancient history of YiTi. This could explain some of the motivation behind the Bloodstone Emperor taking his sister's throne by force. This is a parallel for how Aegon II usurped his Rhaenyra's throne by using the precedent set by the Great Council of 101. I read a book called "The Sacred Hoop" in which Native American author and activist Paula Gunn Allen explains that many NA cultures were matriarchal, but the colonizers were threatened by the power held by NA women-leaders in their societies and did everything to undermine them. Do you think GRRM might have used that as inspiration when writing the story of colonization by GEotD?

[swaggerdagger]

Sacrifice to the algorithm gods. Thank you so much for the stream tonight man, was a great time!!

[silasclayton]

Just discovered this channel and have been binge watching.

Great stuff

[Lianne]

I cannot wait to read your book about a version of Atlantis! One of my favorite myths and a very intriguing topic. Love it!! Do you have any idea of when you will be writing it?

[Mikethehamham]

Just a quick correction about Beleriand and Numenor. Beleriand was submerged at the end of the War of Wrath at the closing of the first age. Numenor was raised out of the sea as a reward for the houses of men who aided the valar in their fight against Morgoth. So it came into the picture a little while after Beleriand ceased to exist. Other than that you're in point.

Edit: on another note, the GEoTD / Asshai dragonlords is one of my favorite theories of all time.

[FLOridaM.o.m]

Watching some older videos in the archive and was delighted to see a Gray Waste Time cameo comment at the end of this one. Love these as well as the more recent videos with Tim

[KaritKtana]

I feel that when you talk and suddenly Cleo squawks loudly, she's actually your "hype-man", being like "yeah boy, LmL dropping some truth yo!!"
So maybe you shouldn't be cross with her 😁 Cleo the Hype-birb

[sweetsarah]

I watched some really cool videos which said that the ruins of Atlantis might actually be the Eye of the Sahara in Mauritania. They didn't completely sway me but the evidence was compelling!

[squisherking]

This was really cool to go back and read Plato and see the similarities in the books. Great topic. Great stream.

[AuzarionSolaris]

I always listen while I work I can’t have a good day without your videos! I loved this video and I also agree there should be a story about an Atlantis like civilization I have been working on a story of my own for quite some time and I always liked the idea of a glorious conquer civilization being in the present and sowing the seeds of their future destruction.

[bhatfield]

Dude you totally deserve it Your first great empire of the dawn video is absolutely epic

[karentargaryen]

thanks for another great stream. this was an interesting topic and discussion.

[christiancummings]

Love all this symbolism. These videos always make me look at the content in the books in ways I hadn't considered. Keep it up man! Smashing great work!

[danielloud]

Do you think it's possible that Garth is an ancient Westerosi memory of the God on Earth and the GEOTD's presence in Westeros? It seems to me that, especially in terms of the number of wives/children they had, these myths overlap.

This could hint at an even deeper GEOTD presence in Westeros; and serve as evidence that the GEOTD didn't just dominate eastern Essos but was a world-spanning empire

[bloodyneptune]

You've probably covered this somewhere, but what if the title A Song If Ice And Fire isn't actually about Jon and Danny, or even dragons and others?

The Long Night shaped their whole current world, the wall, Danys dragons, the others, house Stark, it all started with that event. And its about to happen again. If a comet caused it, then basically _its_ responsible for shaping the world. The current one is responsible for a lot of the characters actions when they took it as a signs, and if it impacts then it'll shape their future.

Basically, the books driving forces are the comets, and could be described as 'hey look what stuff these comet caused'. Comets, of course, being celestial bodies made of ice, but that burn like an inferno when they hit the atmosphere. A song of ice and fire.