Did God create Evil? ft. Jeff Durbin

Jeff Durbin and I discussed into a full analysis of Kwaku El’s new video promoting polytheism.

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[bisdakpinoy]

MARK 4:39

And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, *Peace*, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

[JacobKuchkov]

Moral evil is an inclination of the will away from the good, “missing the mark.”
Metaphysical evil is a privation or corruption.
Evil is not an ontologically subsistent thing which God created, or which exists as itself apart from some perversion of a prior thing.

[danielomitted]

"We ought therefore to hold this doctrine, that God alone is the author of all events; that is, that adverse and prosperous events are sent by him, even though he makes use of the agency of men, that none may attribute it to fortune, or to any other cause" -John Calvin, commentary on Isaiah 45:7

[StephenHolland]

Evil is not a creation. Evil is the absence of something- goodness. Darkness is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good.

[HoldFastApolpgetics]

Assigning God as the creator of evil as the audio stated sounds Gnostic… would you agree?

[nicholas]

190 years? Yeah. I'd say that good and evil were around before then.

[Gospelogian]

Fascinating discussion!! I tackle this slightly differently on my channel- would be honored to see what you think of it!

[ryleighloughty]

If God is truly sovereign, then how can he not be the creator of evil?
How is it a 'given' that you cannot have a creator who would have a purpose in the existence of moral evil?

[wretch]

Serious question here: did God create the chaos of Genesis 1:2?

[icwiener]

We tend to anthropomorphize God and talk about Him as caring, loving, and forgiving, or sometimes also wrathful. We use all those adjectives that we describe humans with, also to describe God. The idea of God having desires or issuing commands is as well an anthropomorphic misunderstanding. The stories in the Bible are written by humans, so they contain human biases and limitations. The writers try to explain God's rules with human language, logic, and morals so that it makes sense to the reader and themselves. But because God is eternal, all-powerful, and not limited by any natural laws, He is indifferent about us as He, in a way, is those natural laws He created which are as well indifferent about us. So "Good" and "evil" are not absolute concepts decreed by God. Instead, they are relative terms that humans use to describe what is beneficial or harmful to them. That does not mean that it doesn't matter if we do evil or good, because it clearly does, as our actions as free men and women have an effect on our lives and the society we live in. It just means that God Himself is indifferent about human decisions, actions and their suffering.

This perspective extends to other religious concepts as well. Heaven and hell can be seen rather symbolically and not as literal locations. 'Heaven' might represent a state of intellectual and emotional fulfillment, achieved through understanding the nature of reality, while 'Hell' could symbolize a state of confusion, ignorance, or bondage to passions and inadequate ideas, that leads to suffering in oneself or others.

Furthermore, if we consider God as the totality of natural laws, then God's 'plan' was already fulfilled at the moment of creation. The universe, including humanity with their free will, simply unfolds according to these established natural laws. Our existence and experiences are the result of complex interactions within this system, rather than the product of continual divine intervention or planning.

[bobbyadkins]

No. God did not create moral evil! God is light and in Him is no darkness at all!

[thenopasslook]

Chapter 19. That God is not the cause of evils.
 
It is to be observed that it is the custom in the Holy Scripture to speak of God's permission as His energy, as when the apostle says in the Epistle to the Romans, Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour ? And for this reason, that He Himself makes this or that. For He is Himself alone the Maker of all things; yet it is not He Himself that fashions noble or ignoble things, but the personal choice of each one. And this is manifest from what the same Apostle says in the Second Epistle to Timothy, In a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth: and some to honour and some to dishonour. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 2 Timothy 2:20-21. And it is evident that the purification must be voluntary: for if a man, he says, purge himself. And the consequent antistrophe responds, If a man purge not himself he will be a vessel to dishonour, unmeet for the master's use and fit only to be broken in pieces. Wherefore this passage that we have quoted and this, God has concluded them all in unbelief Romans 11:32, and this, God has given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, all these must be understood not as though God Himself were energising, but as though God were permitting, both because of free-will and because goodness knows no compulsion. His permission, therefore, is usually spoken of in the Holy Scripture as His energy and work. Nay, even when He says that God creates evil things, and that there is no evil in a city that the Lord has not done, he does not mean by these words Amos 3:6 that the Lord is the cause of evil, but the word 'evil ' is used in two ways, with two meanings. For sometimes it means what is evil by nature, and this is the opposite of virtue and the will of God: and sometimes it means that which is evil and oppressive to our sensation, that is to say, afflictions and calamities. Now these are seemingly evil because they are painful, but in reality are good. For to those who understand they became ambassadors of conversion and salvation. The Scripture says that of these God is the Author.

It is, moreover, to be observed that of these, too, we are the cause: for involuntary evils are the offspring of voluntary ones.
This also should be recognised, that it is usual in the Scriptures for some things that ought to be considered as effects to be stated in a causal sense, as, Against You, You only, have I sinned and done this evil in Your sight, that You might be justified when You speak, and prevail when You judge. For the sinner did not sin in order that God might prevail, nor again did God require our sin in order that He might by it be revealed as victor. For above comparison He wins the victor's prize against all, even against those who are sinless, being Maker, incomprehensible, uncreated, and possessing natural and not adventitious glory. But it is because when we sin God is not unjust in His anger against us; and when He pardons the penitent He is shown victor over our wickedness. But it is not for this that we sin, but because the thing so turns out. It is just as if one were sitting at work and a friend stood near by, and one said, My friend came in order that I might do no work that day. The friend, however, was not present in order that the man should do no work, but such was the result. For being occupied with receiving his friend he did not work. These things, too, are spoken of as effects because affairs so turned out. Moreover, God does not wish that He alone should be just, but that all should, so far as possible, be made like Him.”

Excerpt From
An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith
St. John of Damascus

[riverpc]

Before our God existed? Just curious do Mormons know who the original God is??

[kentheengineer]

Best Summary for God Is The Quote From a Person Speaking of Aizen In the Anime Bleach He Is Behind Everything

[brokenvessel]

Sounds just like the idol/"god" middle knowledge.

[rlfoxjr]

Evil came about because of THE AUTHORITY, GOD said do not, but evil was needed because of HIS INTENT Romans 9:22a “What if GOD, wanting to show HIS wrath” so in every generation GOD will show HIS wrath on the people who believe the lie that HE gave them because they would not receive the TRUTH, but that life is just a evaluation of cause and effect not that GOD declared the end from the beginning and HE will chose the one to fulfill what HE SPOKE, Isaiah 46:10-11.

[MariusVanWoerden]

Matthew 10: 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from YOUR FATHER’S WILL. Some will tell you it is the bird’s fault. But what about the greatest catastrophic event? Was God not in control of that?
Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. After God created all things and God saw that it was good [perfect] God planted a tree: “The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL.” Men did not know about evil but God did.
Blasphemers are those that deny the Sovereignty of God. Iblīs was an Angel he was cast out of heaven because he argued with God why He created men who He made out of clay in His own Image with so much Glory. He said with more other angels to God: "You created them from clay and us from Fire why are we servants." we should receive more glory than they. God’s anger arose and Fire came from His Nostrils. The anger of God was never seen before. Michael and the angels on God’s side started war and threw Iblīs and his followers out of Heaven. Due to his fall from God's grace and jealousy he went to the earth to Paradise and deceived Adam and Eve to hurt God in the Crown of His creation. Iblis is often identified with Al-Shaitan ("the Devil"). It is a story from older manuscripts. The name Iblīs is derived from Ancient Greek διάβολος (diábolos) This or something very similar must have happened. There was no Devil on day 6 when God saw that all he made was GOOD.
If God did ?? not predetermine things???? God The Creator of Heaven and Earth could have thrown Iblīs In hell in the outer darkness or even destroy/ Annihilate him completely. But no God let him go to the earth take upon himself the form of a snake and deceive Eva and then Adam by his own wife, God gave him. Did God just only know that it would happen? God already had a plan of salvation from eternity past, and that Christ our Lord would come and die for the sins of the world. The plan was not optional it was determent. God is all powerful and could have prevented them to eat from the tree. However sin was needed because for Christ to take upon Him humanity and die.
the Creation was not finished on the 6th day but it will be when our Lord reveals the Glorious plan when the New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven.

Daniel 4: 34 At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High, and praised and honored him who lives forever, for his dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom endures from generation to generation; 35 all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?” It is time for Leighton to come to this same conclusion

If God is Confused then Arminian Leighton and the other Palagians or semi Palagians are Right. If God is the All Glorious Lord Creator and the Alpha and the Omega the Begin of all things and the Ruler of all the earth and Do whatever him pleases. Better remember what Happened to Iblīs I say Iblīs and not Lucifer because that is the King Of Babylon and a wrong translation of the word Morning Star. While all is translated in English it is left in Latin. This is why the Mormons say that Jesus is the Brother of Lucifer.

Revelation 20: 1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more.
Why now release Satan to deceive the nations? Did God just know? Where does it say that?
Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan WILL BE released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. “WILL BE” means it will happen BECAUSE of God’s Decree

This lifetime is short and Hell is forever. Would you rather be presumptuous and not find out the truth.

…Then the righteous will answer him, saying, “Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?” And the King will answer them, “Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.” (Matthew 25:37-40) those being Saved by grace did not know that what they did that pleased God. They knew themselves to be undeserving sinners. Only on the day the New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven we sure will know 2 things <1> It was grace and grace alone I would have chosen dead if it would have been up to me. <2> What God our Lord did was the MOST perfect plan men could never even imagine before it was revealed in Eternity. What about those born in Thailand, (where 93% of the population is Buddhist and 5.5% Islam) Can you even imagine how for them to find the Gospel by their own will. There are a few Christians but it needs a miracle of the Lord to become aware of the gospel.

[harmonywinters]

Isaiah 45:7
King James Version

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

[danmusic]

In order for their to be free will, evil has to exist, otherwise we have no choice.

[kentheengineer]

According to the Fullness of God If God Is Totality Would That Includes Evil