Stop Using Tor With VPNs

In this video I discuss whether or not you should use a VPN before connecting to Tor and why this isn't a good idea in most situations.

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[MentalOutlaw]

some people are asking me about Orbot in VPN mode. Using Orbot does NOT connect you to a VPN separate from the Tor network, it treats the Tor network like a VPN in the sense that it routes all traffic through Tor (Browser, message apps, games, etc) like a VPN app would, very similar to how TAILSOS routes all of its traffic through Tor.

[martuuk]

Mullvad stores nothing about you. They were raided recently on a warrant for customer information - any and all information about a specific customer - and they could not turn over anything and Swedish police walked away with nothing. If Swedish law ever changes to where they cannot operate like this, they will either move their HQ or shut down. They are extremely principled. If they are ever served with legal documents authorizing active/live wiretap that are enforceable in a country where a given server is, they will simply shut the targeted server down.

[metal-beard]

Chuck has a history of advertising stuff in the guise of ‘tutorials’.

[Akacsh]

the folding table in the back really adds to the atmosphere of this whole video

[heathmcrigsby]

I use a vpn with tor to browse reddit just to mess with the feds

[flioink]

Network Chuck has never mastered the "pullout framework" - dude has like 7 kids.

[jakeplaydirty]

Love your logic bro 🙏 Came here after watching that Chuck video strangely. I did leave his video scratching my head a bit 😂 You make much more sense

[RobertoRubio-ijms]

Amazing video. No commercial bs and technically accurate. Just gained a subscriber. Keep it coming. Kudos from Panama.

[webbonyoutube]

Correction: The entry node is a "guard node" which is selected from a limited, mostly unchanging list. The idea is that if even if you roll the dice over and over and eventually get two bad nodes, those nodes that never change will keep you safe.

[hughjanes]

You putting yourself up there with KGB and CIA TOR relays is a level of confidence I wish I had.

[vafixer]

as some one who lived in china for years at one point - VPNs not government approved are very popular. you usually have to have 3/4 of them since one or two might get blocked one day then come back the next while the other 2 are blocked another day, its like cat and mouse with the government and the vpn companies but the vpns always get through, either in a few days or a competitor does. hence why i had a subscription to 4 of them when i lived there.

[TheSquidNinja]

Recently found Chuck's content after starting my career path and subbed him too, but you're the only one I clicked the bell on. Just wanted to leave that with you.

[etoilefushigi]

If you really want to use a VPN and ensure that your opsec is as tight as possible, use a VPN to connect to a remote server like a Windows or Linux desktop, ensure that the VM is wiped when done, and connect via tor browser that way. There are many services that will provide anonymous RDPs and if you use mullvad as your VPN provider generally speaking, you're good in this regard specifically.

[MMOchAForPrez]

Thank God there's somebody out there who doesn't just parrot a popular opinion. It is necessary to provide a reason you don't like something when you suggest not doing it. Otherwise all your doing is making noise.

[go_better]

Thanks a lot! Gotta educate myself more on Tor and VPS. Thankfully, you got vids on the subject.

[thedankwalrus]

thanks for making a video about this topic, have always heard that using a VPN alongside TOR is a contentious topic but never knew why.

[johnnymnemonic]

Don't use VPN: Feds are checking edge node connections and get your IP address
Use VPN: Feds are checking edge node connections and get your VPN IP, then have to subpoena the VPN provider to potentially get your IP.

What am I missing here?

[dingokidneys]

Tor, as you said, provides a number of bridges to make the initial hop into the Tor network which effectively overcomes the concern that is supposedly addressed by using a VPN.
Anyone can run a Tor Snowflake bridge as a browser extension or, if they have the compute and WAN bandwidth, as a small docker container. This helps people living under restrictive regimes and, again as you said, the more Tor traffic the safer each Tor user is.
I have a Snowflake docker container running on a Raspberry Pi along with a bunch of other stuff and it's set and forget. I also have the Snowflake browser extension (overkill I know) and, apart from a tiny icon counting the number of connections you've facilitated, you wouldn't know that it's there and doing anything.

[valdimer]

Chuck is all about monetization. Half of his "tutorials" are cloud based, require credentials to use, and usually only give "free trials". The dude monetizes everything, he even has a "guide" in the description down below, which is a link to his site which you have to pay for if you need any further information. My guess is Nord was probably sponsoring the video.

[damiank]

As much as I like Chuck's videos I think he doesn't go into details far enough sometimes and I'm glad you did some more advanced analysis. You just earned a subscriber, sir. Keep coming vids like that