Linus Tech Tips Is Mostly Right About Linux

As the first episode of the Linus Tech Tips Linux gaming challenge isn't on Youtube I can't talk about it yet but Linus and Luke did talk about their experience on the a recent WAN Show episode

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[BrodieRobertson]

I said that Minecraft Dungeons was using UWP, that was my bad I was thinking of the original version of bedrock. Either way my point around locked down platforms still stands

[NabekenProG]

We have to mind that their experiment is not a comparison between Linux and Windows. Its an experiment on how switching can look like for people that use Windows a lot.
As such, we should think more about the whole ecosystems instead of differentiating between distros, the linux kernel, etc. They are switching from THE 1 Windows to the entirety of the linux ecosystem.
Of course it's not the fault of linux that the game you bought in the Windows Store doesn't work. But it is added friction that makes switching harder.
Its not linuxs fault that one program one some distro has issues. But it adds friction.

The ideal switching scenario would be having equivalent programs on both distros. But in a lot of cases we expect users to give up on tools they are used to or find alterntives.

[danidotexe_]

linus bringing light to linux desktop issues is actually a good thing, because if we want linux to be a viable platform for the masses (which we kind of need it to be for universal gaming support), then linux desktop stability needs to be on-par or exceeding existing gaming platforms

[AnonyMap]

I don’t think he was upset about Minecraft dungeons not working linux, more the specific practice of needing to rebuy the same games on different platforms.

[mat_max]

I would absolutely LOVE to see a Linux challenge post-mortem WAN Show made by LTT with people like you, Nick from Linux Experiment, Tech Hut, Chris Titus and other noob friendly (or at least noob understanding) linux and foss content creators discussing the stuff that need to change on desktop linux

[Bagginsess]

>reddit seethes at noob

Imagine getting mad at someone trying to learn something new.

[BrodieRobertson]

Judging by some of the responses Linus's drag and drop from a zip issue was due to using ark alongside nautilus and I guess this doesn't work because of issues with GTK and QT. I can absolutely understand why he'd confused by this though, unless you know exactly what software you were running and know the different UI libraries it's an easy mistake to make.

[SloeJuice]

13:30 It's true, working with multiple files from the terminal is faster - that's why Windows has Powershell. However, you don't see users being forced onto Powershell terminal to do basic tasks because of that.

[yuvvrajkperson]

Minecraft has a minecraft launcher that is available on windows mac and linux, wherein you can buy minecraft java edition and minecraft dungeons. Minecraft dungeons can also be bought on the microsoft store where you can also buy minecraft bedrock edition. What Linus said was he bought Dungeons on the crossplatform minecraft launcher, but It isn't available to play on linux yet. He didn't buy it from the microsoft store

[AndrewSatellite]

Something that seems to bother me with many “gate keeping” evangelical linux users I’ve encountered, is a perceivable inconsistency to why Win users should move to Linux.

Example: they tout and preach that it’s better OS, and normy Win users should move from it hard and fast, and it’s so easy etc. But on the other hand, they get upset that normy Win users are expecting the same experience/workflow on Linux, and throw the RTFM card at them.

Like I never asked to change from Win. It works for me, I understand how to use it, and the only reason I feel a need to change is peer pressure.

[monGarz]

Drag and drop zip support in Windows is now over 20 years old. That's why it's an issue. WinZip/RAR were mostly bloatware (unless you actually needed to open a RAR).

[qBtz]

linux elitists calling new users stupid for not knowing how to use linux is the still the stupidest thing in the linux community

personally, I think this is a great opportunity to put linux out in the world beyond the geeks and nerds. additonally developers can use their experience transitioning to linux as a QA feedback, dragging from a zip file is like a "oh yeah, why didnt we add that" moment.

edit: since a lot of you guys really liked this comment /s. i'll echo what Luke said: linux as a whole doesn't need to change.

arch will still be arch and gentoo will still be gentoo and lfs will still be lfs, *your favorite 1337 distros will not and should not change for new users* but if you want "the year of the linux desktop" to happen, distros that are more willing to accomodate new users will need to reduce friction to switch to linux. not everyone is willing to be a poweruser just so they can use their pc, just saying.

[trajectoryunown]

12:43 Preach, Brother. Preach!
Spending hours learning about terminal commands is an absolutely abysmal experience when coming from Windows knowing that all you had to do there is download a single .exe, double click it, and spam Next until it's done. Seriously, managing this one single issue in a noob-friendly manner would draw in countless would-be Linux users who are on the fence. Specific software compatibility is a relatively minor issue unless you have a job requiring or a substantial amount of your life invested into an OS-exclusive program. Even then, there may be workarounds.
Having a GUI option to access community-reviewed 3rd party repositories to be able to find common programs and automatically resolve dependency issues during installation would be a monumental leap in the right direction. The thing that caused me to go back to Windows once was this very thing. Manually installing dependencies _is_ doable, but I could literally download Windows, write it to a flash drive, install the whole-ass OS, and download the program on that OS in less time than it would take to do so. All of this being able to be managed from in a GUI via a bundled software store would be great, but if my experience with a half dozen distros has taught me anything is that a good software center is an absurd pipe-dream that could only be created by an act of God. (This includes the big bois too. Theirs are pretty much just ad space with a crappy search feature.)
And, like you said, these hopes only pertain to the distros aimed to be friendly for new users or touted by their communities to be Windows or Mac replacement (ie. Ubuntu, Manjaro, Mint, etc.). It would be absolutely absurd to even suggest that any distro used by the tremendously tech-savvy titans of the terminal be dumbed down for an average computer user. I just think it would be nice for the devs of entry-level distros to pause for a few moments and take in that just maybe some first time installers of their OS experience a psychic labotomy when they open up the file manager and can't even recognize a single directory, much less comprehend what goes on under the hood of these electronic enigmas.

[usvstudios]

Outside of business/work situations. I dont know when I have ever batch moved around files or needed to script it. Its pretty clear Linus was referring to drag and drop in the standard way most people use it, not bulk operations.

[poplamina]

Linus bought the '"Windows" version of Minecraft dungeons not the UWP app, this version does not need the windows store and you acess it through the normal minecraft launcher. This version does work on linux via wine/proton just is very janky to install even with lutris.

[SimGunther]

14:35 Exactly! Regardless of whether a user is considered "sheeple" who feels like "freedom" is too much for them to handle, at least we can make the user experience much better starting with thinking outside the box for what is considered acceptable to write a GUI for along with asking how the GUI can make doing a task faster and easier for an end user.

[zhafranrama]

About the root GUI thing. Nautilus and Dolphin (Recently finished polkit integration) doesn't need sudo to get privileged access, for both now you can use the `admin://` protocol which uses polkit. And there's an extension for nautilus to do this automatically by right clikcing, open as administrator.

Polkit is safer for GUIs since it doesn't run the while GUI process as root, rather GUIs can request for privileged access when needed. Manjaro's pamac also uses polkit for privileged access btw

Edit : oh yeah, and with native Wayland apps, there's no way to run GUIs as any other user than the current user. Root is other user so yeah.. Polkit will be needed. (Xwayland can run with sudo tho via xorg-xauth which uses polkit so...)

[darkeleexe]

I love things like you saying "creating a symlink" as a common use case… Nobody ever needs that who wants to game on the machine. I'm a developer and I use symlinks a lot on our servers, but TBH I don't think any normal user will commonly create a symlink

[pallenda]

Being older I agree with Linus on the play on your platform of choice. It's a principle thing. The distributors of software would love for you to buy a copy for each platform. I think Linus is coming at it from the "if I own the CD, I can play it where I want" point of view. Sadly we are quickly changing into no longer owning our software but renting it. So while it's correct that you don't get access to play on multiple platforms for one purchase, it is still beyond stupid and anti consumer.

[estevaomendes]

I used Dolphin for a long time and don't really know what's the deal with Linus. Personally it's one of the best FM. The drag and drop from Ark is perfectly functional as far as I remember.