What if Sauron had won?

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[callinhero]

Sauron got an entire book series named after him, he won where it really mattered.

[UndeadBrett]

There'd be alot more "Support the Witch King of Angmar for county sheriff" signs in everybody's yards

[neildaly]

He did win, I just got hired as the new mouth of Sauron job. Great pay, great benefits looking forward to my new office in the Barradur.

[jonathanyaloussa]

Moral of the story: Don't be a micro-manager. Even Sauron wasn't like that.

[rosyface_]

I got fantastic ad placement on this video. Right after you said the heroes looked the mouth of Sauron in the eye and saw this, it cut to an ad for elf on the shelf

[wompastompa]

Gondor? Sacked. Rohan? Pillaged. The Shire? Nuked annually.

[PrinceJvstin]

There is an old D&d supplement called midnight where the realms of the world are controlled by a Sauron like figure. What happens besides resistance to that rule is a lot of intrigue between the Lieutenants

[coopmurphy]

Human sacrifice. Elves and Dwarves living together. Mass hysteria.

[alemander_]

There is a really good RPG that was originally published by Fantasy Flight Games that was for D&D 3.0 called Midnight that was this exact scenario. Izrador was that amalgamation of Sauron and had great lore regarding what the elves were trying to survive, the dwarves, etc. Highly recommended.

[AodhanBeag]

Sauron’s over confidence was no match for the true unsung purest of heroes in Samwise Gamgee

[nerdytom]

Tulkas walks in. "Give me the ring or I will cut it from your hand for a second time."

[awesomehpt]

At least the trains would run on time!

[georgielaforge]

Something about your voice brings me peace and settles my anxiety.
It’s only a secondary effect that I’m becoming more interested in fantasy literature.
Much love for your channel ❤️

[istari]

Had Sauron won, I think he would have ended up getting rid of Orcs in favor of Men, who were less likely to be constantly fighting one another.

Eventually though, the Valar would have intervened directly. Leaving Middle-Earth forever under Sauron's dominion would have been unacceptable.

[Fast-e-Learning]

interesting that Sauron doesn't want to deal with an occupation of a hostile territory (hmm...) like Gondor, so he'd give them a some slice of freedom in exchange for taxes etc, fascinating

[philliplewis]

It has dawned on me that, if the 4th age was due to be the age of man, that Sauron represented an existential threat and contradiction to it. His MO was control, order, omniscience over the lives and actions of his subjects, meanwhile the very cornerstone of mankind is freedom over their destinies, both in life and in death, the least controlled and bound to the earth of all the free peoples. It occurs to me that Sauron himself was a great test of the willpower of men, and in a way planted a fundamental seed that would live in folklore about the ability of men to overcome that which desires to control them. So to speak, the defeat or victory of Sauron was the final test of mankind to not only determine their safety from malevolent forces, but to channel their their power of freedom of destiny, and define their age by casting out that which was antithetical to it, a power of absolute control. Probably someone could refine my thoughts, but the contrast is still intriguing

[xilebat]

Somebody tell me this guy has narrated a LOTR audiobook.
What a voice!

[orrointhewise]

Given that Sauron is a master of deception he would have said one thing but in time meant another. His vengeance against the elves and anyone else who would have stood against him would not have been forgotten. Also I wonder if he would have an ultimate goal of reviving Morgoth? Interesting to think about

[stevencolatrella]

Saruman was breeding orcs with men to have orcs that could stand daylight. Saruman was the modernist technocrat who used science. Sauron, as far as I recall did not dabble in such things. Otherwise, this is yet another great video Robert. Thank you!

[skyborne]

Periodically I take breaks from lotr lore videos, but every time my interest re-engages, I'm reminded of how awesome In Deep Geek's videos are 🙂