Is BYZANTIUM too EASY in Eu4??

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Is BYZANTIUM too EASY in Eu4??

[pepsi-man]

The true challenge is Ulm world conquest

[liberphilosophus]

Even with the mercenary spam, for a new player Byz is an extremely difficult campaign. The difficulty is fine where it is right now.

[antonm]

bro forgot he plays the game for a living 💀

[lord_duckian]

My friend only plays byz in multiplayer games. His main tactic is, as he says, “strategic bankruptcy”

[shookt]

It's too easy, but at the same time, I can't do it without getting curbstomped

[BasileosHerodou]

Destroying the ottomans is easy, but actually forming rome is hard, since you'll have to put up with spain and France and the HRE

[BlackSwordsman]

I have beaten the Ottomans a lot of times but the economic recovery seems too damn hard

[Jiub_SN]

Mercenary spam isn't the issue tbh, it's the whole loan and economy that needs a serious redesign, but that won't happen until EU5. I guess for now some nerfing would be great

[RomanGods]

I think yes it is but I think EU4 lends itself to that type of ease because it cares more about being a good game than good history

[ravenouself]

My first Byzantium campaign ended up in:
1. The Mamluks coming to my aid
2. Me beating the brake soff of the Ottomans
3. me forgetting to fix my economy and going bankrupt

[NickAndriadze]

I meaaan it makes total sense why economic recovery of Eastern Rome is so damn hard when you look at the historic context — the basis of Byzantine economy was anatolia, levant and egypt, and the empire in the mid 15th century had neither.

[gre]

Did a Byz run years ago. I remember the strategy involved blockading a crossing and having a treaty with some other state that blocked the way for ottoman, troops, so your mini stack could annex stuff in the balkans while the ottoman army just watched across the straits.

[rafaelglopezroman]

The reason why is easy isn't even because of Merc spam, is because they massively buff the Mamluks. The moment those two go to war, you can easily kick the Ottomans out of the Balkans. You can also potentially allied the Mamluks with Merc spam, before the war.

[AlexAustralis]

I think it's a perfect level of near-insurmountable challenge for new/casual/learning players. Even knowing strats and following guides, if anything goes wrong, you can still be curb stomped out of existence by the AI without an issue. But once you get to to that mid-high skill range, it probably is a little bit easy, just because you know how to abuse the game systems. Most nations in the game are like that, though, except for the really insane ones like some of the Russian minor nations.

Honestly it's probably at a perfect point where it's very challenging, but not completely impossible for all but the best players.

[Melodeath]

Don't see how it's any easier now than it used to be.

Back in the early days you could just flat out block the strait regardless of Ottomans owning both sides of it, so no need to siege down the fort.

Then there was a long period of time where the meta was to just lower military maintenance and move your troops to Morea to make the Ottos disable their fort in Gelibolu, declare war on the 1st of the next month and get the fort for free...

The current day strategy of using ships to bombard the fort and assault it with 24k troops was still the way to go before the rework of the Byzanitum mission tree, and that strategy was objectively easier to do back before all the starting debuffs were added.

Even if you go manmode and ignore fort shenanigans, trying to straight up fight them in the mountains of Greece, that's also harder to do now than back in the day because of those same starting debuffs.


If anything, Byzantium is the hardest it has ever been right now, by quite a large margin.

[Lingist]

Byzantines aren’t a successor state, they ARE Rome

[DocsDota]

The problem with these things in games like eu4 is it’s just a numbers game. Resources, troops, combat are all just numbers. Even behaviours of AI is weighted.

So the binary result is either something is possible, or impossible. Byzantium is easy compared to say the Knights or Epirus. Certain impossible starts aren’t fun, some are challenging like Byzantium, and some are easy.

[benry]

Not sure if it still works but the strategy I used was making lots galleys and then trapping Ottoman troops in Anatolia. Win the first war without even fighting Ottoman troops.

[empireproductions]

It kinda makes sense historically, Every now and then you see a small state go on a rampage using money from previous conquests to fund new ones and come out stronger than ever, macedonia and sweden are two that come to mind, although the golden age of each was short

[supermegawaffle]

They also have Byzantium a bunch of extra shit that works in player advantage and events that give Ottomons more issues also. It felt hella easy doing Byzantium after the newest patch. Like i didn't believe how easy it was for a minute after a 1.5 year EU4 haitus(the dlc brought me back)