LPV APPROACHES - PRECISION? or NONPRECISION? GPS approach LPV minimums NOT instrument landing system

Today, we’re talking about GPS approaches flown to LPV minimums. There’s a lot of confusion around these approaches – Are they precision? Are they not precision? I’m going to clear up the confusion in this video.

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📝 Contents
0:00 - Intro
0:46 - Overview
1:36 - ILS Approach
2:23 - GPS Approach to LPV Minimums
5:03 - Capture Glidepath
6:09 - Think in front of the Airplane
7:12 - Precision Approach Requirements
7:49 - Wrap up
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[chrisschack]

This certainly explains something I'd been wondering about regarding KAST. The airport has PAPI/VASI on 3 of the 4 runways, but the only approach with an ILS has MALSR lighting.

[cameronkorrect]

Great note, but there is one additional distinction I would make. The ACS states that an LPV approach can qualify as a precision approach for the purposes of fulfilling the requirements of demonstrating the Precision Approach area of operation, so long as it has a DA at or below 300’. In this case, you’re very likely to have some approach lighting system to facilitate the lower DA.

[goltron]

Great video, Jason. The point about approach lighting is HUGE.

[dr.barbeque]

One point of clarification here: even though it's not legally considered a precision approach for the purposes of filing an alternate, you might still get an LPV approach in lieu of a precision approach for the purposes of a checkride or an IPC

[mrartbridge]

I am grateful to you, Jason, for pointing out the need for airport lighting for a precision approach, an ILS. I have not considered that as an aspect of LPV approach before. Thank you. It’s also considered a non-precision approach for alternate planning, according to ICAO.

[LoungeFlyZ]

Training for my IR rating currently .. so this is very helpful!

[curryblackwell]

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[terrypedersen]

Canada decided in 2011 to classify an LPV as a Precision Approach and is allowed to be used in lieu of an ILS for flight training and tests. With the limited number of ILS approaches available and the busy environments where one will find them it has really simplified the process.

[BluBlade-kb]

I have done instrument approaches with standard IFR radios in a Cessna 172 . I really was easy . . Do your work before you leave the ground Approach your landing airport, request vectors to the localizer and have your nav. radio set up before that . They give heading to the outer marker and altitude . Turn into it and follow your glide slope to the runway, it's just that easy.

[greysheeum]

Don’t forget to turn on the runway lights to full intensity EVEN IN THE DAYLIGHT. When making an approach close to minimums, give yourself every opportunity to complete the approach. Just because there are no ALS in place DOES NOT mean you have to do it without any lights on the ground.

[krisztinaholly]

Jason, I notice your avionics are almost identical to mine and I find the autopilot use a real bear. It overshoots target altitudes, can stall if you don't monitor VS in the climb, and more often than not won't capture the glideslope. I am getting better, but I still find it more of a liability on approaches and I wonder if I'm missing something. I was wondering if you had done a video yet on how to manage an autopilot system in an IFR environment, or if not I'd really welcome that! I know it's somewhat avionics dependent, but I think there are general lessons to be learned by understanding the proper use of APs generally that could help us with safety and low workload. Thanks! 🙏

[FranksMSFlightSimulator]

Thanks, nice and simple and clear. Cheers from Australia.

[oneslymike]

Great video and explanation as always, Jason. I've read some schools of thought which state that a DA/DH value is not in and of itself a weather minimum; the only weather landing minimum is the visibility value.

[tedsaylor]

I have a video request (if you have not covered this already). The unfortunate accident of the Lady in Tennessee in the Debonair. The accident has been covered by others, however I would like your take on it - from a Flight Instructor standpoint. If you were instructing her after her previous (less than perfect) instructors - how would you go about fixing things and making her a better pilot?

[fishhisy]

My instrument checkride, my examiner said since theres no local ILS approaches i just did Rnav approach 4 times to different minimums.

[glennwatson]

You made a comment that you can make a LPV approach anywhere in the world. Worth noting unless you have a SBAS/LBAS active there will only be LNAV available. A lot of places in the world don't have either yet.

[blimpcommander]

As the GP intercept didn’t occur until .4 miles after passing the FAF, why not hold the 5000’ from the IAF? If 5000’ had been maintained then the GP intercept would have been at the FAF and not after it. Flying the procedure in this manner decreases workload IMO but cutting out the step down. The 4300’ shown on the approach at the FAF is a minimum altitude to cross used more for a step down if flying the LNAV, rather than a requirement if flying the LPV.

[jasonmfr]

It is also required to be in ICAO Annex 10

[dullgeek]

Ok. True. But there are a ton of GPS approaches to LPV mins that are on the same runway as an ILS. Would you consider *that* a precision approach?

[viniciusreis]

I still don't understand the answer, even though it's a great video. Ok, there is an SBAS APV, but what about the SBAS CAT I (a precision LPV approach)? Are there any SBAS CAT I approaches in the US NAS? Thank you.