Covert Calvinism 101 - How Calvinists Convert the Converted #Shorts

In recent years many charismatics have fallen prey to Covert Calvinism - a method of recruiting people to Reformed theology by convincing them that they're listening to false teachers or heretics. In this video I endeavor to inform people so that they'll be aware of this recruiting formula.

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[thetruthchannel]

I observed this many years ago as a teenager. One of our more wealthy members of the community became a Christian and seemed to be doing well. We became very good friends until one day I walked into his business and he started with all of this in the same exact order. Luckily, I left my hometown before being there to watch this guy split a Church in two. To this day no one from the original Church speaks to anyone from the Calvinist break-away. They have nothing to do with each other.

[stevenjouette]

Yes, they seem to primarily focus on newer Christians, often those who have not yet been Holy Ghost filled.

[FromWarWithLove]

Calvinists have their own interpretation of “predestination”, but don’t think that predestination is not biblical because the apostle Paul speaks about it in Ephesians 1 and Romans 8. Just needs a traditional interpretation of predestination where it does not mean that God unilaterally chooses to regenerate certain hardened sinners for salvation, and passes over the rest (before they are even born and have committed sins) because that’s just his choice.

My interpretation: God predestines (sets up a plan) for every person who genuinely becomes a Christian to be sanctified and made holy in his sight. That God will ALWAYS take away the power of sin on a person’s life; the propensity to be morally weak as they were before regeneration/salvation. Paul confirms this with Ephesians 2:10 - “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.”

I agree with the rest of your points though. Calvinist-leaning Christians dress up Calvinism with fancy words such as “reformed theology” or “doctrines of grace” in order to fool people into attending their services. Just call it for what it is. A pretend doctrine that originated from a former gnostic (Augustine of Hippo) and later became adopted by the leading reformers of the 16th century (Calvin, Luther, Zwingli) when they wanted to “go back” to the “true Christianity”. Should have looked at the church fathers who came before the 4th century, let alone the New Testament.

[RichH]

Having been a Pentecostal bible teacher my self, and since it is obvious that Calvinism is misleading people and charismatics would never do that “right” would you give book -chapter and verse exposing how Calvinist misrepresent predisposition?

[IsKingdomMinded]

Pretty certain, sound doctrine will include expository teaching, this does not happen in charismatic churches from my experiences. Took me years to even discover that expository teaching existed.

[John-Christchurch-NZ]

God Saves.
Not sound doctrine.
If you think it's about doctrine, you have got a serious problem.
It was the one the Pharisees had.
You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.
The Words of Jesus (John 5:39)
We are called to know God, not know about God.
Calvinism uses extra biblical words and concepts to explain what they believe, or to interpret scripture.
(makes Sola Scriptura an oxymoron)
Why not just read what scripture says.
God saves, though the death and resurrection of Jesus.
We receive that salvation when we believe, (what He has done) and realize it was for us.
Then we can say God has saved us, and enter into fellowship with Him.

You will also notice they are more interested in telling us we are going to Hell than about the Love of God which saves us.
We don't need Justin Peters et.el. to tell us whether we are saved.

[netseotrailsedc]

Are the sneaky subversive Calvinists in the room with us right now?

[michaelnolan]

I see that either they learned from you or you learned from them.