NASA & Boeing just lost billions of dollars on Starliner but never beat SpaceX & Elon Musk...

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Boeing was once seen as evenly matched with SpaceX in the race to launch NASA astronauts, but fell behind due to development setbacks.
Sadly, a recent report revealed that Starliner’s spaceship growing pains have cost Boeing nearly $700 million more than planned.
Why is there this cost overrun?
How does this affect Boeing?
With this situation, does Boeing have any chance to beat SpaceX?
Let’s find out in today’s episode of Great SpaceX!

In the company’s second quarter financial report, Boeing absorbed a $96 million charge in relation to its Starliner spacecraft program. This brings Boeing’s Starliner cost overrun tally to $688 million due to numerous problems.
The company did not elaborate on the specific issues that caused the charge, and only briefly mentioned the program during an earnings call with financial analysts dominated by the company’s commercial airliner programs.
“It was important. It was an emotional ‘up’ for all of us at Boeing to get back on track,” David Calhoun, president and chief executive of Boeing, said in the call, referring to the OFT-2 test. He later called the mission “a pivotal and emotional test for The Boeing Company and we feel good about it and we’re ready for the crewed flight.”
Despite that, we all know the nearly $700 million cost overrun that Boeing Starliner has created is due to two high-profile misses during its first two flights.
NASA & Boeing just lost billions of dollars on Starliner but never beat SpaceX & Elon Musk...
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[ronnonyabizness]

I recall a meeting with Boeing executives and state officials where it was decided to take on the program for economic growth in their state, knowing they couldn't compete with SpaceX. It was never an honest and sincere attempt, it was just a boondoggle to improve the local economy.

[the_answer]

Boeing and nasa are dinosaurs. Big business. Big government. Hard to think they could ever be innovative and efficient.

[donaldboughton]

I think the fundamental problem is that Boeing has lost its engineering mojo. Too many bean counters using company resources to buy back shares rather than investing the design and manufacturing processes. This problem affects Boeing airliner manufacture as well as space craft.viz 737Max-8 787 etc.

[joeshmoe]

Boing should just focus on their military business and leave going into space to the professionals.

I would rather steal John Wicks car and kill his dog than take a chance on flying on the Starliner!

[seasonallyferal]

Hard to win a race that's already finished

[whotknots]

It is not exclusively a question of the cost overrun for Starliner development to date standing at about two thirds more than Crew Dragon for a product that has been in development for nearly a decade longer but which because it does not offer capabilities worth anything like what it has cost, cannot, claim to be 'competitive' with SpaceX by the most convoluted rationale.

Yet anybody who follows events associated with space exploration cannot help but have witnessed some astonishing contortions originating with NASA and Boeing regarding justification for Starship and SLS.

It is also a question of how much more Starliner launches and missions are going to cost by comparison with missions using Crew Dragon and Falcon9 and ultimately Starship and Super Heavy, and what Starliner and SLS offer or rather do not, offer at considerably greater cost.

No matter how much spin doctoring and political rhetoric Boeing and NASA slather on this sordid debacle like deodorant disguising a nasty smell, there is simply no way they can crawl out of the cesspool of their own making that is Starliner and SLS in any condition more appealing to US taxpayer perceptions than you might reasonably expect.

Starliner can not, compare favourably in terms of value for money with Crew Dragon and Falcon9 or heavy, much less with what Starship and Super heavy will have to offer when those vehicles inevitably become operational.

And provided, shamelessly blatant political interference, hindrance, bias and even favouritism which has been imposed on SpaceX to date is recognised for what it is and stopped.

There is every likelihood that Starship and Super heavy could become fully operational at about the same time or not long after Starliner and SLS are likely to do so and, offer vastly greater capability, versatility and efficiency than Starliner and SLS at substantially larger efficiencies for considerably less money.

So what could, justification for maintaining welfare payments for Starliner and SLS be, if you allow that the exemplary reputation for reliability and versatility already well established by SpaceX negates even a possibility of any need for 'redundancy'?

Except for the relatively brief period when it lacked significant launch capabilities because it could no longer afford to operate the Space Shuttle which by the way was built and maintained at phenomenal expense to the US taxpayer by Boeing.

The US has managed without 'redundancy' for it's space program thus far, yet now, need for redundancy is being peddled not as a rational explanation but as a confused and confusing excuse for an astonishing volume of indefensible deficiencies which are so ridiculous they would be amusing if they were not so serious, as though 'redundancy' can be a miraculous cure for embarrassing circumstances currently besetting NASA!

How can any, 'commercial space venture' be touted as justification for redundancy that is claimed to create need for Starliner and SLS succeed, if the product and services claimed to be competitive cannot, persist against a more capable and otherwise effective provider except if it is effectively sustained by Government subsidy?

It simply does not, make any sense, from a rational commercial perspective yet that is exactly, what is being claimed regardless!🤣

[doppelbock]

"NASA paid Boeing almost 5 billion dollars to develop Starliner for the agency compared to SpaceX's roughly 3 billion dollars." What everyone seems to be forgetting is that Boeing was paid to do something very different than SpaceX. Boeing was awarded a contract to design, develop, fabricate, test fly, and certify a brand new crewed spacecraft from scratch. At the same time, SpaceX was awarded a contract to take the existing Dragon cargo spacecraft - that NASA had previously paid SpaceX to design, develop, fabricate, test fly, and certify, and then paid them to operationally fly many times - and upgrade it to be human-rated. These are hardly the same tasks. If you want an apples-to-apples comparison, then add in the money and time it took to get SpaceX to their starting point in this "race" against Boeing.

[sohkokowe]

Do they need to compete? Vital development that all needs to cooperate for one common progressive space exploration

[natevizzi]

The flight crew must really be bugging out knowing they are gonna be stuck on that thing

[randynewton]

Boeing, too big to succeed. Boeing has been the darling of the government contracting world for decades. They’ve been forgiven too many times for cost over runs and products lacking in true quality.

[waynzignordics]

7:50 That's a pretty cool test-to-failure. Glad they were willing to release the footage.

[generaclesdey]

Boeing has a top-notch Risk Exposure and Management team.
Have these intelligent specialists been sponsored to expose the full set of interactive processes involved and define the actions required to eliminate all surprises?

[thomasquinn]

Commercial is always cheaper and brings more innovation, Go Space X, they were so advanced the DOD has to use them for space a defence, they are currently testing Starship with the capacity of a C 17, they could move troops to theather in 30 min in some locations in low orbit, NASA contractors have not progressed and innovated like Space X.🇱🇷

[bradleyjohnson]

I wonder who will pilot the first flight? Pray for those passengers...

[SevenDeMagnus]

So sad, pray and fast Boing gets its act together. It's airplane has issues and also its spacecrafts.

God bless.

[natevizzi]

It’s not a competition these are executed contracts

[ViciousSadistic]

Boeing was actually ahead. Decades of experience and almost unlimited money. Where did they really fail. It was the same way all major corps will fail. Milking the paycheck instead of getting it done. Multi-Billion dollar company and billions in free cash given and still cant get it right. how is it a startup jumped ahead so far. Tenure. Keeping old staff around just because "the put in the time." isnt the way to success. 40 years ago it was vital. Now there is the internet and ANYONE can learn more in 1 year than the old guard has forgotten in 10. Mega corp wanna get ahead. Cut the old staff out, cut the upper salary limit. and enforce the deadline. Elon has already killed Dragon. Why? he is forcing himself and his companies to move on. Mega Corps could learn a thing or 2.

[kevindunlap]

NASA spent decades telling us they "lost the instructions for getting to the moon."

[johnbranca]

Sadly, even if starliner was scrapped and they went in another direction. Boeing would still be paid.