Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Voyager 2.15 - Threshold

The Emmy Award winning Threshold!

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[cherrybeoc]

The salamander form is a gift from the Koala for all those who reach Warp 10. And you can't convince me otherwise. It did allow Tom to come back to life from the waiting room that looks out towards the Black Mountain.

[chelmrtz]

I would say Tom/B’Elanna showed a connection as early as Faces in season 1. Tom demanded to know where she was and when she was scared he comforted her and hugged her. I do like that they were pals early on because it makes their love realistic. It grows from the seeds of true friendship and care for each other.

[samesource]

If you are going down the Alberto Santos Dumont rabbit hole, you are obliged to mention Gustave Whitehead--he is the only one with a newspaper account crediting him to a flight before the Wright flight of December 1903. Dumont's first powered heavier-than-air flight is in 1906. For the record, Dumont was quite clear in ceding the invention of the airplane to Wilbur Wright when Wright came to Paris to demonstrate the Wright Flyer, which was technically far ahead of any Dumont designs. History will not forget Dumont, but his bigger achievements were in the area of dirigible airships.

[ComradePhoenix]

Transwarp is a lot like regular warp, except certain people care a lot about where it uses the bathroom and how it participates in sports.

[DanGoodchild]

I would love to see Discovery Season 5 address the Warp 10 issue.

My head canon is that merely breaking the Warp 10 barrier didn't cause Paris to mutate. Rather, being everywhere in the universe simultaneously he picked up a weird in some distant galaxy and the Doctor just got lucky in figuring out a treatment. As for Janeway having exactly the same mutations, it's simple; she got it from Tom, not from the same original source as Tom.

That's why 800-ish years later they're not all zipping around at warp 10; they tried it a few times and there's just no telling what kind of infections the pilots will come back with from *literally anywhere in the universe*.

[binky]

What they actually needed was an Infinite Improbability Drive!

[brandonmurphy]

I really like the retro reviews! In line with them, there should be lists of Dilithium ups and Trellium downs for each season of the TNG-era shows. I'd like to see what Sean determines to be the best and worst of those seasons!

[null]

Id like to see a series of Ups and Downs related to the movies.

[LadyRamkinFP]

Okay, right.
So they did sucessfully break warp 10.
And seemingly the only negative consequence is that you turn into lizards... which seems bad.
But like...
The doctor can completely undo it...

Why not use it?

[trmohr]

Flawless delivery on “We’ll always have Paris.” Well done, sir.

[PatriciaCross]

I had a great prolonged joke/story I improvised once where the salamander babies reproduced in great numbers, coalesced into duplicates of the ship and crew, sought out the real Voyager, only to come apart at the last moment. Leading to Tuvok bringing up the viewscreen just in time for millions of salamander to splatter into the viewscreen like bugs on a windshield (wiper and all). Paris then turns to the rest of the bridge and says "Never go full Mudkip."

[stephengsargent]

Sean… You have officially earned your first “platinum groan”… “we’ll always have Paris“… You really went there!

[D-S-]

“Well we tried once and you turned into a Salamander, we can never try this again.”
“We could always try for less than Warp 10 - we won’t get home instantly, but we could be there in a couple of hours.”
“Never again.”

[y_fam_goeglyd]

I never hated this episode. I understand why it's not considered to be one of the greats, but it's genuinely not a bad story! It was quite adventurous compared to many others.
Great analysis of it!

[bastian]

While pretty much everything about this episode is poorly written (especially the evolution parts which hurt me the most as a biology student) I still kinda like this episode. I like the concept of warp 10 being this impassable barrier and that it means having infinite velocity and being in the all places in the universe at once

[Freddles]

Sean, your "Snap" leading to Temporal Observations, @20:59, had the look of "Flipping off" the entire episode. LOL

[ANIMOUS]

I'm giving you a down for portraying Alberto Santos-Dumont as having flown an airplane before the Wright Brothers. The wright brothers first flew an airplane in 1903. Alberto Santos-Dumont flew the first powered airship in 1901 but an airship is not an airplane, it is a blimp. Alberto Santos-Dumont didn't fly his first airplane until 1906, roughly 3 years after the Wright Brothers.

[maxek]

It's trendy to take the piss out of this episode. It's still one of my favourite Voyager eps.

[jdcrichtonri]

These Retro Ups and Downs are fantastic! Gives me a great excuse to revisit classic episodes I haven't seen in a long time. Keep them coming!

[Super-]

I remember seeing this episode when I first watched Star Trek Voyager, and I thought this episode was bizarre, though I kinda liked it. And, now that I think about it, Threshold is like Star Trek’s version of The Fly, but instead of a fly, it’s those weird looking salamanders as the transformation.