Symptoms Of Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder That May Surprise You

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This disorder has "stinginess with money" as a symptom in the DSM-5. Why?

Stress and money often go hand-in-hand. But do you know someone who is overly stingy or miserly with money? They may be showing symptoms of OCPD, or obsessive compulsive personality disorder. In this clip from the OCPD series, Dr. Ramani explains to Kyle why stinginess with money is often a symptom of this disorder.

ABOUT THE SERIES:

Do you know someone who is controlling, overly-focused on details, or closed off to new perspectives or ways of doing things? They may have the most commonly-diagnosed personality disorder, obsessive-compulsive personality disorder or OCPD - which is often confused with, but much different than, the better-known condition OCD. Welcome to the MedCircle original series, “OCPD: Co-Existing with the Perfectionist and Coping with Control.”

In the rest of this series, Dr. Ramani covers...

OCPD 101: Why it’s an issue & how It’s different from OCD
The causes of OCPD: who is most at risk?
The unique signs of OCPD & how to spot them
The 8 characteristics of OCPD, according to the DSM
Testing for OCPD & how to convince someone to see a doctor
OCPD treatment: the ins & outs you should know
Improving with OCPD: what long-term management looks like

#ocd #ocdawareness #ocdtreatment

[saras.]

OCPD has a lot more to it than miserliness...she briefly mentioned the perfectionism and attention to detail such that the main point is lost (inefficiency), but I think this is a big part of it. It’s a lot about control. Having to have everything the way you want it, being stubborn or rigid.

[rambling_riah]

I personally am this person. I also have OCPD. It does make me sad to see how they seem to feel about people like us. Like how we "suck joy" out of situations. It's never intentional. The hoarding money is not a choice. It's an obsession. When we go out with people, we don't want to make things noticable, so by the end of the night when the party wants to split the check it makes the person with OCPD uncomfortable because we spent the whole time worrying about how much money we were going to spend on the outting and justifying how we can afford it. Then all of a sudden the party wants everyone to pitch in for things they may not have even gotten, which raises the amount of expected amount the person with OCPD was going to pay. We don't mean to make people uncomfortable. The way the people described us feels like they don't truly understand, especially based on the guy's obvious cringe expression of people like us. Try to be patient with us and understand just a little.


This is my view on the video and I could have gotten the wrong impression, but I'd love to hear other experiences!

[cantrell]

Splitting checks doesn't seem to be a good example. I know A LOT of people who take advantage of situations like this. They rack up a bill with drinks and appetizers because they know they will pay only a fraction. They often get super cheap with the tip too. I try to avoid large dinner parties and only eat with people I know are on my wavelength.

[oo]

My father has OCPD I have OCD. It's really interested how you end up in similar situations as your parents regardless of how you live your life. Genetics man.

[lavendarmin]

Oh man, to have the luxury of not seeing $15 as a huge difference. I usually spend less than that total when I go out to eat.

[Therapycable]

We just want to show our support and say how amazing your channel is, Medcircle! Thank you for all that you do and spreading awareness of mental health topics!

[kayem]

My mom always says stingy with money stingy with emotions.

[randyvanvliet]

I have a friend who always orders more expensive items from the menu, plus dessert, and then wants to split the bill 50/50, every single time. Not once has she offered to pay her fair share. Now, instead of getting taken advantage of, I ask for separate checks when we go out. Her ordering habits have gotten considerably more frugal since we started getting separate checks. Nip that shit in the bud.

[DaveKohler]

I value everything that Dr R has to say!!

She is one very AMAZING Lady!! 😎

[vinselvin]

I never thought my late bestfriend had it. When she died her family found money in banks. All I knew was that she was being frugal she was very ungenerous. I had known her for about 15 years. Her family was kinda disappointed because that friend of mine had more than enough of money sitting in banks for her medical needs. Her mom and sisters had to loan for her but she had the money all along. Despite of it all, I understand her then and more because of this episode. I can only wish she had the help she needed to help her out of the mental issue that became a hindrance for her recovery. In the country I am in, unfortunately, this mental health issue is like 20 years behind. A lot of people don't have any idea. Thank you so much for the awareness that you bring to us @Medcircle.

[goodintentions]

I had a family member who would invite a large group of us to meet him for dinner. He'd order the best meal, then at the end say "Well, let's just split it equally." It didn't take long for us to catch on so we'd say to the waitress at the beginning of the meal "separate checks please." It was after that that he would always stay at the table the longest, 'having to make a note of something' or whatever... any excuse. Then I saw him going around the table picking up everybody's tips. When I confronted him about it he said "If waitresses want to make more money, they need to get a different job." His only daughter was a waitress. He died a multimillionaire at the age of 50, with bad feelings from all of his children. So sad all the way around.

[sarahnewton]

I like how this whole video was pretty much about how difficult it is for someone with OCPD to spend money and then he mentions that in order to learn more, you have to become a member on their website...a paid membership...

[josettechristolin]

I know someone who exhibit almost all the symptoms mentioned; including being miserly and very controlling. Just yesterday we went to lunch and had to leave one restaurant because we were not seated quickly enough, and when we got to the other restaurant, she got very tense because we were not served quickly enough. The problem is she is a good friend and a maternal figure, and I don't want to alienate her.

[belharper]

She is so articulate and fascinating to listen too.

[Satrina]

My biggest issue with many of these videos, is that more often than not, there is a lack of EXPLANATION as to how these "disorders" develop in the first place. The goal of understanding psychology is to ultimately have more empathy, and not to weaponize a "disorder" against another in order to make yourself feel superior. These videos, particularly the ones with Ramani, almost seem to further perpetuate stigma surrounding those with mental comorbidities. Especially the way she speaks about these disorders as if they are something to be condemned, when in actuality they need to be understood, seeing as the vast majority of them are beyond an individuals control. In order for people to have a neutral perspective when viewing these matters, they need to understand not only what encompasses a given disorder, but also how one develops the disorder in the first place. Otherwise, to those who lack knowledge on the subject, it comes across as if those who possess a disorder are inherently evil or unstable, and that is not usually the case.

[nm]

Really enjoyed hearing Dr. Ramani and Kyle speak. Very engaging public speakers. 3 persons having what I suspect is OCPD have recently crossed my path. I have past experience w/ persons who I believe have OCPD. Miserliness is not just about money. It can also be a lack of generosity with their spirit and time. It's a lack of empathy.

[dmt]

I’ve been going to therapy for my condition and I feel finally relieved being able to recognize these unhealthy habits and patterns in my everyday life. I often forget because of my dissociative amnesia but videos like these help me every morning to realize what is going on and that I am in control of my own body.

[Ilovetruecrime]

The narcissists I’ve known are definitely pathologically cheap in the way she describes.

[UncertainlyJess]

Love all the people here who apparently didn't pay any attention to the video and realize this is not about Narcissist AT ALL, it's about OCPD

[d.nakamura]

Whether it’s time or money— but especially time, in my case- I think it’s fine to speak up if it happens repeatedly, because this kind of thing adds up. Would you put up meeting with someone who was always late and making you wait for them? I don’t sweat a few bucks or a few minutes either way with friends or acquaintances, because it usually evens out over time. But I think it reflects more on the other person’s character if they continue to expect me to be the one to spend my extra time or throw in the extra money to make things work out. Graciousness on both sides should be a mutual recognition of keeping things relatively fair and equitable. It’s not even about the time or the money in the long run, it’s the principle.