A Story of Detransition w/ Chloe Cole | The Lila Rose Podcast E33

After attempting to transition from a girl to a boy, Chloe Cole found herself in regret of the decisions she made as an early teen as she rediscovered her feminine identity and her longing to be a mother one day. Chloe shares what led her to transition in the first place all the way to the point of undergoing a double mastectomy at age 15, along with her more recent journey of detransition and activism.

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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:45 How Chloe Grew Up
02:41 Influence of the Internet and Technology
04:25 Intro to LGBT
05:48 Questioning her Sexuality
06:58 Puberty
07:16 Comparing to Media
08:16 Fear of the Hardship of Womanhood
09:36 “Sexed Brains”
10:53 Feelings During this time
11:51 The Start of Transition
12:02 Negativity at First
13:43 Telling Parents
15:30 Parents got a Professional Involved
15:45 ADHD
17:05 Possible Autism
18:33 Over Pathologizing
19:39 Disruptive Behavior Disorder
20:40 Didn’t Have Community
21:05 On Medication Early
21:32 Trouble for Sketches
23:30 Felt Different than Women
24:29 Boys Are Easier to Get Along With
25:10 Favorite Joke
26:00 Shame for Women in Puberty
31:57 First Therapist
34:03 Gender Identity Religion
35:29 Online Predators
39:30 First Online Relationships
40:50 Autogynephilia/Autoandrophilia
43:05 Side Effects of Taking Testosterone
46:10 Alternate Way if Having kids
46:48 Double Mastectomy During Lockdown
49:11 Shouldn’t have been an option
50:00 If Someone Said Something
50:43 Mom was a Tomboy
52:02 The Start of the Medical Journey
52:30 Parents Concern
55:45 Puberty Blockers
57:28 Periods before
58:04 Sex Ed
59:34 Wearing a Binder
1:02:10 What lead to Masectomy
1:02:33 Sexual Assault
1:06:40 How She Felt After Mastectomy
1:08:09 Complications from from Mastectomy
1:11:30 First Started Doubting Transition
1:12:02 Missed Being Pretty
1:12:36 Didn’t want to be Picked on as gay
1:13:08 Process of Detransition
1:13:58 Comparing Herself
1:15:36 P*rnography’s role
1:16:00 Buzzfeed
1:17:18 Distorted View Hurt Relationships
1:18:25 When She Realized it was Making Things Worse
1:19:27 Learned about Goodness of Motherhood
1:21:18 “I’m Still a Woman and Nothing can change that”
1:22:45 Can She Have Kids?
1:24:04 New York Times Article
1:25:24 Publicly Sharing Her Story
1:27:19 Most Praise Ever Gotten
1:28:19 Backlash
1:32:11 Harassment
1:32:40 Online Detrans Communities
1:34:34 Activism
1:39:50 Goals
1:42:07 Talked with Parents?
1:43:10 Then What?
1:45:57 Artistic Side
1:48:17 Follow and Support Chloe!

[shelleysykes]

I've heard her story several times, but each time I see her I have to watch. She is so calm and articulate telling her terrible truths. I wish the best for her.

[klarafuchs]

Lila and Chloe are giving me sister vibes. Like Lila’s a big sister who wants to protect Chloe and people like her at all costs! God bless both of these beautiful women! 🙏🏻😊

[MaryMorris-tq]

Her confidence when she says “There’s still a lot for me in this world.” And “I believe it” .. the sparkle in her eyes for the hope she has in the good she plans to do.. something about that makes her the most beautiful woman! I teared up.

[littlesunshiiine]

I’m only 22 minutes in and my heart’s already breaking for Chloe. I'm 24y/o now, and one year away from writing the Bar exam, but I was one of those nerdy outcast girls in school too with a very tiny group of friends. I can relate to her so much, especially on wanting to fit in. Chloe’s a lesson in uniqueness. Though I've never struggled with gender confusion, I have (and I know many other girls have too) struggled with comparing myself to other girls. Not having the perfect curvaceous body, or the most trendy clothing, or a wedding ring on your finger, or flawless skin can make you feel like you’re not a 'real woman'. It’s true. Especially on the topic of being too skinny, as I am as well. “Would you even be able to give birth with those little hips?” was a question I got asked as a young, 13 year old girl.

Women like Chloe is a signal that there is room for all of us ladies in the sisterhood, regardless of whether we like video games, going to the gym, have “ironing board chests”, prefer wearing trousers or have a keen interest in politics. Thank you, Chloe, for getting me one more step closer to accepting my (not-so) girly quirks and getting rid of joy-killing comparison.

[adamwijemanne]

Lila, you're good at this. You asked great questions and allowed Chloe to answer completely and thoughtfully. Wonderful interview and conversation.

[XDominiqueXFranconX]

I’m 37 and was just recently officially diagnosed with autism. I relate SO much with Chloe’s social struggles, even though I didn’t go down the trans rabbit hole.

[capucinetosi]

Chloe is so courageous... To look at your own mistakes straight in the face along with society's abuses... And she doesn't seem to let anger nor revenge eat her away, just testifying to the truth and trying to help others! Thank you for sharing and may God bless your heart!

[yvonnel]

When I was going through puberty my mom would always tell me, “Don’t be too hard on yourself. You’re still young.” By the time I was 21 I had the hourglass body my 12 year old self would have wanted. I’m glad she was there to reassure me that things would be ok in the end no matter how uncomfortable or weird I felt.

[kathleen.julianne.hilson]

Every women I know had the thought “I wish I was a boy” or even just “boys have it way easier” sometime throughout their puberty. I remember thinking how much “better” it would be to have short hair, not care about your outfit and makeup constantly, no period, no body shaming, no mean girls and gossiping friends. That’s all I thought womanhood was - a costume even I as a young girl spent hours putting on every morning. The “feminist” movement just told us we needed to waste money on college degrees to become equal, instead of actually empowering young girls by teaching them our unique God given characteristics that actually make us a women. No wonder so many young girls want to cut off their boobs and wear masculine clothing. It has nothing to do with your “fluid gender” and have everything to do with our societies lack of true feminine empowerment and diversity. Now we have a generation of girls running away from women hood and young men coming in and taking over womens sports and pop culture screaming that they are in fact real women.

[Becca_Lynn]

I literally grew up in my brothers hand me downs and disliked most girly things until early high school. My parents never shamed me for it or told me I should be something else. I was just a girl who loved my brothers and wanted to be like them as a child. And of course I had periods of discomfort with my body, but my family never made me feel like it was bad or I was developing wrong. I was just accepted as a girl the way I was. And now I’m in my 30s, not overly girly but love makeup and love being a woman the way I am. :) I pray these families learn to just leave these kids alone and let them grow up on their own.

[alismoran]

I saw her story first on Jordan Peterson’s podcast and I must say she seems to be in a much better place mentally. Brings me joy to see how she’s growing into an amazing young woman.

[littleway]

What a beautiful girl with a beautiful soul! Thank you for giving her the platform to share her story in such a patient and gentle way.

[xXXDeadlyHavocXXx]

Just came here from Matt Fradd's podcast. I'm so glad you're starting your own podcast and am deeply grateful for your momentous work with Live Action. May God Bless you abundantly and this podcast to be a beacon of light speaking on the issues of our times. ✝️

[adriennedyke]

THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE NECESSARY! I love that you started a pod, Lila. Thank you for the space you bring 💕💕💕💕

[theCatholicInfluence]

I hope the "therapists", surgeons, "doctors", and insurance companies pay greatly for the mess they are contributing to. They should all be held accountable for crimes against humanity.

[Ste.Germaine]

She is so articulate and wise. Chloe, you have such strength and you are going to help so many.

[patriciarambert]

She made Chloe laugh! That's a refreshing side of her. I am glad she still.has the capacity to see humor in her experience. Thank you host for making her comfortable enough to express that! It really made the entire video.

[aliciareyes]

Chloe is wise beyond her years...wow! Some of the things I heard in this interview were mind blowing to me. Her parents should be and probably are super proud!!!

[whaddoyoumeme]

Excellent convo. Really enjoy your work, Lila! Glad to find your podcast

[frusia]

Who other than a butcher would ever agree to cut off healthy breasts on a 15 year old? Every single one of those "surgeons" deserves a prison time.