Toranaga Reveals His Plan How He Will Defeat Ishido Before He Kills Kashigi Shogun Episode 10 Fi

[nerdjocky]

All along we thought Toranaga was Ned Stark when he was really Tywin Lannister. Brilliant

[TonyTylerDraws]

It wasn’t even Blackthorne’s story. This was Toranaga’s story the whole time. And he planned every move.

[thekid]

Am I the only one who got vilain vibes from Toranaga in this scene? He lays down his own plan to a man he's about to kill. He's basically toying with the Anjin and the "He's only alive because he amuses me and keeps my enemies distracted" really freaked me out. Plus he let his son and his two most loyal vassals die for this.

[DeptalJexus]

Toranaga: "Yes, I always want to be the shogun. And yes, I'm the real bad guy. But hey, *THE END JUSTIFIES ITS MEAN*"

[Lightingwarrior]

To quote Sun Tzu in the art of war "Every battle is won before it is ever fought" and he would be proud of Toranaga, who has played this like a master, he was already several steps ahead of everyone and won the battle before it ever began.

He knew he could never defeat the combined might of Ishida, the heir and other armies of the Regents by himself, so he sent Mariko to divide them, and reveal to everyone Ishida's dishonourable nature and forcing him to give up his hostages and turning allies against him, leaving him alone with no allies to aid him at Sekigahara

[krimzon]

Toranaga: Now, Ishido. Your line is, "Did you plan this too, Toranaga?!"
Ishido: Did you plan this too...! O_O
Toranaga: What do you think? I planned every little detail.

[dzbarah]

A man dream is another man nightmare.
The dream of John Blackthorn to come back from that forsaken land of violence became what toranaga wanted for his dream and army to be complete. Toranaga opens his heart of violence and power to yabushige, thanking him for his service and giving him purpose. In the end a mad dog like him has the luck to truly understand someone deeply other than himself, to feel in control for one last time and grasp the movements of the wind. Now he has found death on the spot where the currents spared him.

[adamurbacka]

Toranaga's armor at 1:21 is so beautiful. The costumes in this show were something else

[bobbarker]

Like any tyrant
Toronaga was willing to sacrifice everyone around him for power.
Turns out Ishido was right to think Toronaga wanted to be shogun and have power over all the regents and the heir

[garrycahilig]

Toronaga then explained how he will build the Osaka Continenal

[asdowo]

History is written by the victor and the victor will always be the good guy. After the battle of Sekigahara, Torunaga attacks the castle of the heir and kills Ochiba and her son.

[Rudero]

I love how Yabushige got the truth right with his guess, and Toranaga doesn't even need to confirm it, his "why tell a dead man the future?" is confirmation enough. I think Yabushige read that correctly too. Also, of all the characters in the show, I think Yabushige had the most charisma lol. Like, just as much as Blackthorne, if not more.

[Subu-Chan]

i believe Toranaga is not a bad guy at all. He was very right about heir's authority wont pass to the council and eventually he was going to be replaced. He thinked a little boy cant rule a country which came from years of civil war, and really possible for that to be happen again. So he decided to be one who takes to power. We seen İshido and he is not a good man either. Toranaga saved a whole country by sacrificing some people that ok with these actions.

[mikecapozzi]

Yes, if it brought on two and a half centuries of peace and prosperity, then the ends did indeed justify the means. Toranaga made all the right decisions. Remember, these were not the times for good men, but for men of power. Heavy weighs the crown.

[InnaSpace]

Toranaga is like Aizen from the anime Bleach. It was all apart of his plan. Nobody realized until the very end. He even explained that he studies the wind . Meaning he is constantly observing, watching, waiting, analyzing, all the sh*t thats happening in proximity. Psychopath yes. But he still had some decency in him. It shows how he brought peace over the next few centuries. Great show

[TunjungUtomo]

Exceptional writing. Nobody was truly a villain or hero in this show, it was a show about power play, a 4D chess if you will. Where every player has their own motives and schemes. Only, it was Toranaga who laid the best plan and executed it like a truly brilliant Grand Master

[aleksandarvil]

*"Why tell a dead man the future?"*

😮😮😮

[drg]

I realized in this scene, we had been rooting for the villain the whole time.

[KoiYakultGreenTea]

I love the use of poems in this show reveals the person. Mariko is always lauded as this master of words and is apt as being a interpreter. Ans her poem she started, Ochiba ended.

When she asks the Heir how he would continue it, his words reveal his child innocence - full of hope and possibiliry talking about flowers and fruits. Bur ochiba finishes it with the wind comparing toranaga to it and later when hes talking with Yabu about rhe wind ir makes sense that her secret alliance wit him is just simply that poem completeing marikos worda and thus her purpose

(Added) I believe season 2 will include how Ishido becomes Toranaga's captive at one point and is let go but that part of history is still a bit confusing for me

[GustavoCardoso]

In real life Ishido is much more of an honourable guy. People fought for him because they liked him