Toranaga Teaches His Son Nagakado an Important Lesson In Controlling People Shogun Episode 5

[minhtue]

If I were the father I would definitely be furious… the son had plunged the clan into a war with their rivals without his permission

[youtubehandlescostmemyusername]

So many proud parents feel their children will exceed them. I wonder how it feels to be a genius parent knowing your kid will never be as capable as you.

[ABoyd]

This is some true parenting here. Toranaga isnt really upset that he attacked. He is upset with his son that he let someone alter his thoughts and plant something in his head. In the next scene, Toranaga is praising Omii for his strategic move. It boils down to this: His son did a good thing, for the wrong reasons. He got lucky this time, but allowing others to influence your decision making turns out wrong wayyyy more than it turns out right. Thats the lesson.

[Dfathurr]

Fun fact : this thing also happen in real life. Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga counterpart) did get angry to his son Tokugawa Hidetada (Nagakado counterpart) and they didn't talk for years. But luckily they did resolved after the Edo Shogunate begins

[XiangYu]

Something about my man Omi… dude not only inceptions Nagakado to start a war, but he also indirectly played a hand in his uncle being caught as a traitor. Survives the whole thing and owns more land at the end of it, but here in this scene you can see Toronaga already has his eyes on him. A useful retainer, but potentially dangerous

[truetvlee]

“ learn to fly them at the right game” it’s such a beautiful way of thinking and teaching

[ikennaoruche]

Right move from Toranaga.
Leaving his easily swayed son in charge of a well armed regiment could be disastrous for his long term ambitions (becoming Shogun). Toronaga is patient and strategic, qualities which his impetuous son needs to master, in addition to discerning the manipulations of others who might want to use him for their own ends.

[dgnnxqf]

I think Toranaga expected his son to attack Ishido's army. Everything is going in Toranaga's ideal direction.
from japan

[Buenomars]

1:03 "All men can be broken." Nagakado's skull would agree.

[gerryleb]

Brilliant scene. The son should think the whole thing through carefully. Nothing Toronaga says or does is simple, unless it's on the brink of life or death. Everything has layers.

[ceresbane]

Its always the way huh. Great men go through their whole lives in turmoil and struggle so that the next generation has a better life. And the child of such great men fall short because they never needed to struggle and end up ruining their father's life's work in moments.

[jeffreyjackson]

If I were his son, I would listen and heed- it will save his life.

I listened and heeded while I was growing up and became the only high school graduate, college graduate, and professional employee of my mother's three children, only son of 5 of father's to graduate from high school, only college graduate of his 9 children.

[kossttamojaan]

in the novel Naga was not in any way timid around his father as this character is. and Toranaga knew that Naga would never know any type of diplomacy, cunning, nor finesse, that he would always be a goshawk to be hurled straight at enemies for a quick and savage kill, a brutal warrior born to battle and nothing else.

[wreccen]

He went so easy on him, he loves him too much. The kid started a war.

[samuelrodriguez]

Torenaga isn't angry because his son killed Jozen it had to be done either way. He's angry because Omi influenced him to do it instead of Nagakado influencing Omi to do it . A leader thinks for himself, and he does nothing to get his hands dirty learn to sacrifice your pawns so they can take the bullet for you. This scene is very important and it also shows what kind of person Torenaga is he's selfish and only thinks for himself and will sacrifice anyone to get to the top, kind of like how the mafia works. this is so vital the entire episode was named after this one short scene.

[gothxm]

i wish i had a father like toranaga, i would pay attention to his every action. However, the one thing i would do different than Toranaga is to tell my son that he will sink or swim on his own. knowing that might be better than just expecting him to know. I could be wrong though. NO parent really knows how their children will turn out.

[Navak_]

now i need to go back and watch the scene where omi and nagakado were talking. if omi tricked him then he also tricked me

[manbearpig]

I wonder weather the horse reacting to Toranaga yelling was scripted, or if it just happened and they left it in

[kungalexander]

So is he more pissed at his son for getting manipulated and not because starting a war?
I mean he later approved the guy who planned it all and basically promoted him into a commander

[Hermit_Ronin]

Ieyasu was often critical of his son, Hidetada, for being too impulsive and hotheaded.