Similarities of: Noah's Ark & Gilgamesh | #cc #christiandeconstruction #shorts #noahsflood

"The Epic of Gilgamesh is an epic poem from ancient Mesopotamia, regarded as the earliest surviving notable literature and the second oldest religious text" c. 2100–1200 BC (source via Brandão 2020 pg 23)

Here's a side by side comparison. Only one key difference really stands out.

People will use this to say "See a flood really did happen! Because another ancient culture talked about it!" But that's not necessarily the case Gilgamesh is a recognized epic, mythical. The fact that the story was then repeated into Judaism does not make it more factual, it keeps it as an allegorical story. A foundation myth.

It's important to remember the early semitic people were nomadic, and sometimes captives to other cultures. The Babylonian exile, and earlier stories from the Sumerian epics would have played a key role in establishing their own religion.

Hence why we see early Judaism as a polytheistic religion that widdles into a monotheist one.
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[JeGaysus]

"The Epic of Gilgamesh is an epic poem from ancient Mesopotamia, regarded as the earliest surviving notable literature and the second oldest religious text" c. 2100–1200 BC (source via Brandão 2020 pg 23)

Here's a side by side comparison of the two. Only *one* key difference really stands out.

People will use this to say "See a flood really did happen! Because another ancient culture talked about it!" But that's not necessarily the case Gilgamesh is a recognized epic, mythical. The fact that the story was then repeated into Judaism does not make it more factual, it keeps it as an allegorical story. A foundation myth.

It's important to remember the early semitic people were nomadic, and sometimes captives to other cultures. The Babylonian exile, and earlier stories from the Sumerian epics would have played a key role in establishing their own religion.

Hence why we see early Judaism as a polytheistic religion that widdles into a monotheist one.
- JeGaysus

[AoAnli]

To the people who think this means that there was indeed a “Great Flood”, I would like to point out that the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in Mesopotamia, where the Epic of Gilgamesh originated from, were known to cause massive floods that would decimate cities at times. They were extremely unpredictable, and there has been evidence of local floods in that area — but no evidence of a massive one that engulfed the entire planet was ever found. Also, the Epic of Gilgamesh was already considered mythical when it was written, meaning that the story was exaggerated on purpose from the start. Local floods known to destroy entire cities transformed into one massive flood to make Gilgamesh out to be an epic hero ? Doesn’t sound too far-fetched of an argument

And before someone replies to this by asking how I explain the flood myths in other cultures that lived far from Mesopotamia… Those ancient civilizations were also based around RIVERS. The Huanghe & Yangtze rivers in China, the Indus River valley in South Asia, the Nile in Egypt, the Urubamba River valley (America)… yeah. Lol

[duncansonoryan]

When I read Gilgamesh in college as a nice little straight Christian girl, I was mind blown. Never took it as infallible again.

[Jovan]

Father, forgivr them they dont know what are they doing, amen.

[ander]

It was raining For a week that’s just an average British day😂

[Bearthalamass]

There two totally different versions of the same event. In the epic of gilgemesh, water fountains were shooting water up from the ground to the south of the ark, and in noahs flood it started raining. The ark in gilgemeshes story was cube shaped. The ark of noah was longer than it was wide. The languages got mixed up at babel, and every civilazion has a flood story. The differences are because of the languages being confused and the stories changed over time. Its all the same story, and nobody plagiarized anybody.

[UnremarkableMarx]

Noah's ark is a telling of something that happened, either after the end of the younger dryas period, or at the end of the younger dryas period. Every culture documents floods occuring. Noah is venerated in God's word, by Moses telling the word to the Levites, and Noah is venerated in geneologies which are extremely reputable, even when we consider the earliest of Genesis events to be a bit 'storybook'. Genesis is so potently true, incisively knowing of the human story and condition. I believe God has seen it's events play out in our history, specifically the Semitic history, just as he has had it known for the Hebrews and as Hebrews knew them in their oral traditions. The Lord deals in covenants. And his truths are more real than just in some objective sense, the faithful mustn't be suprised when they may one day find just how real it all actually was, in the days of Genesis. We already have the geography and natural history of where Eden was to a tee.

[wayneharryhughes]

A week if rain that's summer her in Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 in the UK 🤣😘

[UnremarkableMarx]

I read Gilgamesh, quick read. Very very different. 100s of cultures have flood stories incorporating oral traditions that date back to 9, 500 bc or so. And the flood motif became timeless in stories and legends. Gilgamesh is a story about gallant warrior kings, brotherhood, adventure, divinity. A great story. But still but a story to me.

[eddyangstman]

i totally think thay it is heavily inspired by gilgamesh but i do also think some of the simlarities could be justified with just the logistics of a flood. if a flood was meant to cover the entire earth it would make sense for someone to collect at least 2 of each animal to repopulate the earth and it would make sense to take place over an extended period of time as it would take a while for the earth to flood and unflood and sending a bird to scout for land would make more sense than an animal that wod likely be able to swim far less in a day than a bird would be able to fly. also in general just dont think every bible story was meant to be literal so it makes sense they used parts from already known stories like gilgamesh

[RyoAstra]

Also, Utnapishtim wasn't actually "told" about the flood directly (like noah).

Instead, the god Ea "spoke to a reed wall" about the flood, which _just so happened_ to have utnapishtim behind it. This was because another god was tired of humanity and wanted to wipe it out, but Ea decided that he wanted some of humanity to be saved.

[himanshunagarwal]

It's also in Hindu Vedas which are nearly 4000 ye as rs old

[EddieM]

I think they're both explanations of the same event, ie a great flood.

[ferrariunicorn]

Same-ish story just trumped the numbers #typical 😂

[michaelstapelberg]

LOL.. that ones different.. by a whole sparrow