The Difference Between Protestant and Orthodox Views | Jonathan Pageau

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[manuelmontiel]

Jonathan, I think it would be great to see a full-fledged video on this. You have many Protestant viewers/supporters (myself included) that would like to gain a better understanding of this. Plus, these views don't appear to be mutually exclusive to many

Edit: since this post, I'm now a catachumen in the Orthodox church. It has been an odd journey, but I thank God that I am on this path.

[dubois.]

This dude is reading my mail lol. I'm literally stepping toward Orthodoxy from Protestantism right now...

[nicford]

It's funny because we protestants actually talk theosis a lot without saying it.

Popular protestant lingo: "become more Christ like". Or "Growing in Christ likeness"

I love the orthodox view on theosis. I do not think it is contradictory of substitutionary atonement, but very complimentary.

We protestants should flesh out theosis more in our theological language, and in our lives (though, in a way we very much already are). How sin is a disease and the gospel is life and medicine, that should be talked about in that light more.

Much love to all the brothers.

[JasonAdank]

I have a feeling that we're gonna find a whole lotta protestants, catholics, orthodox, baptists, lutherans, Presbyterians etc when we all get to heaven. Then we're gonna realize we were all over complicating things.

There's just a lot of tings we're not gonna know this side of eternity. Dont sweat the small stuff. Love God with all your heart mind and soul. Love your neighbor as yourself. Im not EO, but I have immense respect and love for them regardless. I truly believe we're all brothers in Christ at the end of the day.

[bvokey]

I am not Orthodox but I completely agree with the Orthodox interpretation of this matter and its belief that the end goal is theosis. While it’s not emphasized as much in Catholicism, the Catholic doctrine on the matter is dogmatically similar. I do believe this way of understanding “salvation” is correct not because dogma says so but based on my own experiences and intuitions.

[alexpaskalis]

This can’t really be answered without some sort of caricatures being made and oversimplification. The Western Church is strongly rooted in “Satisfaction Theory” and ultimately what Jonathan mentions as “Penal Substitution Theory.” This is what the Reformers presented as well as such a strong focus on “Justification.” The East’s view (IMHO) is simply larger in scope. Even the Church Fathers speak of the substitutionary aspects of The Atonement, but not in a narrow/legalistic sense.

[PepsiT]

I think most Protestants believe what Orthodoxes believe as you explained. We just call it "santification".

[Aaron.T]

I am kinda the middle ground, leaning toward the orthodox view. Yes we need to have faith that Jesus Christ's death was taking God's anger upon Himself so that we are saved. Although, I also agree with the orthodox view, about how salvation is from a faith in Christ that transforms you throughout your life, and changes and heals you. We have to have a faith that isn't devoid of works, since faith without works is dead. Ultimately, our works are a representation of our faith and transformation, but it is Jesus Christ that saves our souls.

[fs]

I don’t see why both views necessarily exclude each other. Do I miss something?

[cabellero]

Protestants believe a vocal ascent is all that's necessary for salvation.

Orthodoxy teaches salvation is not an end point but rather a beginning.
Salvation, Justification are life long processes.

That which has not been assumed has not been healed.

Sin is Sickness, Christ is the medicine and healing of this.

Protestants see Church as a Courthouse
Orthodox see Church as a Hospital.

Jesus undertook His passion and death willingly, out of immense love for us
Love is stronger than death.

[angelbonilla]

Clasical Protestantism also teaches and believe in the santification/transformation of the believer by the Holy Spirit.

[eric_wood]

Orthodoxy’s view on salvation sounds a lot like what I would describe as sanctification. Does orthodoxy have a different view on what sanctification is and at what point in an orthodox view is a person justified?

[truthdefenders-]

"substitutionional whatever" really, that what we believe? Nice way to represent the other position.

[mattr.]

Former evangelical here. If you take Protestant thinking seriously...it will put you in a psych ward.

No offense to any Protestants out there. I love you guys. But I had to maintain my sanity somehow, so I left the circus behind.

[wesparsons]

Thanks for this, I’m a Protestant visiting Georgia and wanted to get a rundown on the difference between our faiths. As the Bible says we are dead in our grass passes and sins, and that in Adam we all died, so I think your explanation of Protestants believing in a substitutionary atonement is spot on. So from what I gathered from the Orthodox position in regards to salvation it is much the same as the Catholic position. I guess where the differences lie there are more Church structure ect as to the basics. Thanks for the content👍

[nikolahgurmann]

Honestly you kinda stated 2 protestant beliefs on Salvation
We also believe that Jesus came to heal
But I get your point

[MediaevalGuitar]

George MacDonald (1824-1905), who influenced C. S. Lewis, refuted the PSA and imputed righteousness doctrines in his Unspoken Sermons entitled, Justice and Righteousness. Both are available in the public domain.

[Tytheband]

The Greek word for salvation in Holy Scripture is literally the same word as “healing”.

[catmandu]

Sounds like two sides of the same stone.

[jaimeibarra]

I am protestant christian and I believe in both of those things. I don't understand theosis. I do know the scriptures say we will partake in the divine nature 2 Peter 1-3. While I don't k own what that means.. yet I'm down with it cause it's in the scriptures. But the Lord Jesus most certainly hung on that cursed tree for us. I love the symbolism that I find in Eastern orthodox. Praise God for both of these denominations! We will sing in heaven together to our Lord!