The most OP argument for (defending) God

Bishop Robert Barron, William Lane Craig, and Ben Shapiro have all used the same argument in defense of their god’s moral nature, but the argument is versatile enough to defend any characteristic of god. If the Teleological argument (argument from design) is the best argument for god, this is the best argument *in defense* of god. It may be overpowered, but does it have a weakness?

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[stisca]

Thank you for pointing this one out. I'm always baffled when people use this argument without realising the "cost" of losing the foundation of their entire belief system. Over powered indeed!

[FelisImpurrator]

This is indistinguishable from the "I have the infinity sword that does infinity damage" argument in playgrounds.

[thedude]

Growing up my grandmother & parents used this argument, but put it in layman's terms.

When something good happened: _Look how great and loving God is_

When something bad happened: _God works in mysterious ways_

[Andy_Dagamer]

I guess you could call it a "God-Tier" argument

[GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

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[andysims]

I've heard these types of arguments called "thought terminating cliches" and I feel like that explains it perfectly

[rachelhouldridge]

That argument is exactly what kept me believing in Mormonism for so long. And it's been bothering me since leaving because I feel like all the arguments I want to make against my old beliefs (in conversations with my family) are easily waved aside with, "how could we possibly understand? We aren't God. But I'm sure he has his reasons". So it's a relief to finally understand that it's a double edged sword!

[astronic]

Whenever I talked to anyone religious, this claim was immediatly thrown at me whenever I challanged them. Although it just didn't sit right in my head I couldn't verbalise exactly what's illogical about it. You did a very good job explaining this. Thank you for this video

[morpheus]

I grew up as a Catholic and went to Sunday school, but I remember always being skeptical. I hated that all difficult questions had the "you can't understand God's will argument" because you would be angry if a leader said you wouldn't understand their guidance and not explain anything, why is it okay when God says it?

[Faint]

I’ve felt this way for a long time. Apologetics isn’t about following evidence to a solid conclusion, it’s about starting with a conclusion and making up excuses (or apologies) for all of the flaws that the predetermined conclusion has.

[ImNotKaleb]

As a Christian who often struggles with my belief, I’ve found this answer can be useful. However, I think the better answer, one that not just Christians but humans in general don’t really like to admit, is the answer “I don’t know.” To some, this may feel like a cop out, but for me it has brought a lot more calm into my faith. It doesn’t lessen my belief in God to not know every possible defense or justification, the reality is that we do this all the time.

As humans, very few of us can claim to know *everything* about one subject, even matters in which we believe ourselves to be experts. This, in my personal experience, is seen most often in our belief systems, religious or otherwise. Each of us very likely believes something that we can’t always explain, defend, or justify, and that’s not a bad thing or grounds to relinquish that belief.

Maybe it’s not the best answer, in fact I know it isn’t, but for me it has put my mind at ease far more than it hasn’t. My faith in God, though it does fluctuate, is not determined by my ability to refute every point against Him. Great video, as always.

[kadesharp]

Hello Drew. I am a Christian who over the past couple months have watched your videos to better understand the perspective and arguments of atheists. I just want to say thank you for approaching these issues with such grace; I think theists and atheists need to come to the table with respect for one other and to have fruitful conversations rather than trying to win an argument. I have not watched all of your videos so and I was wondering if you could point me to your videos that discuss how you yourself respond to popular Christian arguments such as the Kalam, fine-tuning, the New Testament and Jesus’ resurrection. Thank you

[andrewpowers]

The number one argument to "believe in God" I ever got was in college. A person I was debating said, "If you're right, we both end up in the same place. But if I'm right, things turn out different for us. You might want to rethink what you are doing, and how you believe." And that, right there, is the fear that gets people to go to church.

[ironmilutin]

Isn't that basically the "God works in mysterious ways" defence?

[simonpajger]

As a Christian, I must say thank you! Because of this video, I realized, that we say "We cannot judge God" all the time (and I personally really mean it), and yet we say things like "God is good". That is really inconsistent. If I say, that I do not have the capacity to tell, whether God is good or bad, I really should not say, that he is good. Now when I look at what I just wrote, it seems almost funny, I did not realize this earlier...

[tragnemalm]

Somehow this entire argument makes me think of Lovecraftian horror.
A being greater than human understanding? More ancient than we can imagine?
Can't say this thought-process is surprising, but is a fun perspective on cosmic horror.

[EpicGamerWinXD]

Even if this argument proves the existence of god, which it technically doesn’t, it doesn’t exactly help one religion more so than any other either. It works just well for Yaldabaoth as it does for Ra, Venus, or Loki.

[okamichamploo]

This actually reminds a lot of where I was with my theology leading up to the point where I turned atheist. I called it the Dark Theology. Essentially I had come to the conclusion that in my eyes God appeared evil and I had no way to explain his actions, but being that God is the very standard of Good and is essentially nothing is Good apart from him, I am forced to simply follow him against my better conscience.
I brought this up to numerous pastors looking for advice, and the only answer they could give was to say I was thinking too much and should focus more on the good things.
This, as you could, imagine was not sustainable.

[redwolf]

As an active Christian. I also agree that this argument is way over used and honestly does "break the game." If we can't understand God, how can we know if he is good or bad. How can we know that what he does is truly for our best interest.

This was a great video. Your videos help keep my faith in perspective.

[SoulBreker]

As a Christian, I really like this video, it helps me get a nice view from the other side. You know?
But yeah, that's always been my counter-argument for the "Bad things happen, so God doesn't exist/doesn't care/ is evil" argument.

And although the comment section is usually made up of distasteful people who act like they've achieved nirvana, or some kind of intelligence higher than others because they came to a different conclusion than others; you on the other hand are quite kind, and always approach these sorts of things with a kind of finesse, that always makes me feel like you are in fact inviting discussion and being relatively open-minded about it all, and that's what I like about this channel.

So I hope that you have a blessed day, and thank you for your friendly demeanor and kind attitude toward these subjects.

And as for the comment section that acts like your beliefs make you better than other people. Get real, the only thing that you manage to do is make your arguments and beliefs seem less attractive to those whom you are trying to convince, all the while you act all pompous and put yourselves on a pedestal of some moral or intellectual high ground, and I don't deny that some religious people are guilty of this as well, and I'm not excusing them, they're in the wrong too, but everyone guilty of this needs to get off their high-horses and get back down to Earth and realize that all they're doing is hurting the causes that they stand for and just pissing people off.