The Difference Between a Leftist, Liberal & Progressive | Destiny

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[brentisverycool]

Broadly speaking, Destiny is a girl's name

[TheVrede]

I've heard these defined several times but I can never remember the difference because so many people throw these terms around flippantly. It just becomes so confusing and I honestly don't see the point in remembering at this point when so few people actually use the terms properly.

[johndawhale]

I wanna see Destiny and Dennis Prager discuss Liberalism now...

[Rude_i_Wredne]

It's a whole load of bullcrap.

Liberal - someone who's main values are freedom and individuality.
That makes them usually in oposition to Authoritarians, who try to increase the state's control over the population and usually makes them capitalists, as it's the current prevailing economical system in an non-interventionist environment. They are usually culturally slightly to the left of center, as they usually support the minority rights, but that support is more like a lack of will to infringe on them rather than actual push for more equal society.

Leftist - a purely localized term, meaning anyone, who is on the left of the spectrum of the political debate in a given environment. The opposite here is a Right-winger. And a USA's leftist might very well find themselves considered right-wing in other, more left-leaning countries (like Norway). In the States it's very simple as there's a two party system, so realistically anyone who is vote-blue-no-matter-what (or further to the left than Dems o currently relevant talking points) is a leftist for USA's standards.
Far-left is a type of leftist whose beliefs are radical enough not to be represented in the mainstream political discourse (The opposite is Far-right). In the States, that would for an example include people more left-leaning economically than Social-Democrats, as American political discourse has been heavily dominated by capitalist ideologies.

Progressive - a term that is best explained as an opposition to Conservative and Traditionalist. Usually politically driven by a desire of change to the status quo on some issue and implement a solution that wasn't historically present in a given place. So in the USA that not only means cultural policies like trans acceptance, but can also include, for instance, nationalization of healthcare (which is an economic policy) and historically all the movements like abolitionists, workers rights, suffragettes and so on, were all proggressives.
Conservative - someone who believes that the current status quo is the best we're gonna have and that changing it (in either direction) would be detrimental (either as a change of status quo, or due to the implementation cost aka "we don't need it, not worth it"). It is true that it's very close to liberals in the States (and realisticly - most Democrats are conservatives), because the right (most Republicans) are actually
Traditionalist - someone who believes that we as the society implemented detrimental changes and we should seek to reverse them. Those are the guys who believe that they would rather live in the 50's or even further back, often oppose social legislation such as gay marriage or even in the more radical cases anti-apartheid.

[RextheRebel]

Liberal- individualistic, live and let live. Focus on individuals interacting voluntarily. Progressive- individualistic on identity, collectivist on social issues towards progress away from traditional roles. Leftist- communitarian, focuses on labor activism and the relations between labor and capital.

[SenorJoeBiden]

It’s interesting to hear these guys talk about politics. They’re clearly intelligent, interested, and engaged but it’s not a dominant part of their lives.

[firefox]

This is my first time ever hearing of this guy. I wish there were more people like him to help convert other young guys into progressive, left-of-liberal type people.

[siggbert]

NIce to hear this explained, even if its brief.
I feel like nowadays people conflate these terms so much that it's become insufferable to have to explain the difference a thousand times over.

[fuckspace]

“An opinion is vulgarity, even when it is not sincere…

Every instance of sincerity is an intolerance. There are no sincere liberal minds. There are, for that matter, no liberal minds.” -FP

[sigmazeta]

Assuming Graham is right about Liberals being more unhappy, it’s probably because they tend to be more empathetic towards others and have a greater awareness of the awful things happening around the world. Those things can bear a lot of weight on an individual. Conservatives can have these traits as well but I believe it’s less common.

[ikuep]

"Why are liberals so unhappy" is such a biased question from a extremely online perspective. Most people who are liberal (and probably conservative as well) are just regular people doing regular things that aren't constantly whining online. The fact that he asked that question only shows how his world view is shaped by online comments.

[turbokid]

Well if you want a short answer to progressive just look at ex president Wilson 🤦‍♂️

[lauterunvollkommenheit]

He doesn't really know what he's talking about, does he?

[MarkCornelissen]

I think to a certain extend you could argue the republican party is actually more liberal than the democratic party, because it puts the individual freedom more central in their rationales instead of governmental control/involvement. Examples are there position about guns, governmental climate and environmental interventions, freedom of speech, free markets, etc..

[ettfdf]

No, a liberal in other parts of the world is basically a libertarian, not some kind of centrist ideology.

[MobiusCoin]

Liberal - practically speaking, an American centrist. Often times suburban, probably lives in the North-East (although can be found elsewhere like the Pacific North West), probably married, with kids, affluent, with a college degree. Believes in capitalism, but also a strong social safety net. Ambivalent to tepidly supportive of social justice movements, like BLM and trans-activists, but wouldn't vote on those issues. Mostly secular, although some mainline Protestants may be found with their ranks (Episcopalians, certain Methodists and Lutherans, etc). Usually they are mostly put off by the evangelical aspects of Republican politics, not the economic aspects. In the 80's and 90's, these people might have been moderate Republicans. Doesn't care that much about foreign policy except when it becomes a long drawn out wars like Iraq and Afghanistan, but doesn't mind the interventions they don't hear about much. Also won't vote on these issues. Very status quo oriented, other than the ultra-wealthy, the American political system is geared towards serving these people.

Progressive - College educated, urban, younger. Primarily votes on social issues, economically very left leaning, anti-capitalist, but only insofar that economic policies serves the needs of social justice. Will support and champion minority owned businesses and other businesses/corporations that align with them politically (Patagonia and Disney). Usually will grow up and have kids and turn into liberals.

Leftists - College educated (despite their pretensions to being the political movement of the global poor), anti-capitalist, and anti-liberal (both in terms of modern American liberals and classical liberalism), anti-religion (mostly anti-Christian though), and in some cases anti-democracy (see tankies vs libertarian socialists). A collective term for self-described socialists, communists, and anarchists. Terminally online, always arguing over "theory" and "praxis". They are to the left what neo-Nazis and white nationalists are to the right. But with none of the institutional connections nor with any comparable ability to organize.

[andrewm]

disappointing to see that Destiny has no idea what he is talking about

[Rixdog]

So basically he knows very little about this or at least incapable of explaining.

[mjss]

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Um no. Democrats do not fall under traditional liberalism definition nor to those that are right leaning.

"Classical liberalism is a political tradition and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics and civil liberties under the rule of law, with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech"

Neither dems nor reps are into small / limited government. Most on the dems side are not all about economic freedom and neither are into free markets as they both have their own groups that they cater to.

Libertarian is more in the direction of limit government, personal responsibility, etc.

No wonder why Destiny's ideas are so messed up as he has his own definitions for words.

He is literally unaware of what he is talking about. He claims to be for capitalism and he is also a big supported of progressive social ideas. Destiny - those progressive social ideas have to be funded. How does government fund things? By taking your money via taxation.

Governments role in the US is well defined in the constitution. Currently, well and for the last century, has been doing its best to completely ignore the founding documents, thus gubment is the bloated institution that we have today that has run the country into $34 trillion in debt and over $100 trillion in long-term obligations. That is NOT capitalism, Destiny.