illegal serve - the biggest problem in table tennis

illegal serve - the biggest problem in table tennis

Illusion - Illegal serve of Noshad Alamiyan

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[MartinsLifeSharing]

Illegal serves are significant issues that greatly impact players who follow the rules. Furthermore, due to these illegal serves, table tennis can become a less enjoyable game. The winners often end up being those who use illegal serves

[jitendranair]

Time for video monitoring. A game as fast as TT needs AI to monitor serves. I don’t blame the umpires. They are sitting at the worst angle to call out illegal serves except for toss violations.

[Darkgnome]

I remember an umpire calling Ma Long for illegal serve who had bad return in the social media. Never heard of that again. So it is the TT fans who want their homie serving illegal and the other player serving legal.

[scooterinmie]

dude's serves are dirtier than my internet search history

[djdaya]

When I was young, this kindnof serve was legal and you had to get a strong instinct and very quick reaction time to guess what was the effect and length. It just became to its origin, especially with these balls bigger than before too... top players where the best anticipating and hiding during the game if you know how to take the initiative

[danielnicholson]

For me this starts at the bottom. I'm just a local league level player in England.

People serve illegally all the time. However if you call it out you're the villain. 'It's just local league, who cares' etc. It's such a stupid mentality, it can lose you a game even if your the better player

[sormu]

I was once national level TT ref. I had huge problems with other refs because they did nothing. Players complained over inconsistent judges. If football judges were like TT refs the game would die.

[silversurfer]

the rule is the problem created by the ittf. there was no service rule in past times and the game was fine.

[pappaflammyboi]

I have mentioned, for years now, that the majority of players serve illegally, but to no avail. I've even posted the rules in the comments section.

I post every timestamp where the illegal serves are to people who ask me. What do I get? I get called a whiner, a liar, a pretender, an ignoramus, and various other nasty labels. It's a serious problem that needs addressing.

The rules need to change to help umpires more clearly see the ball and its position relative to the receiving opponent.

I have made numerous suggestions, but I doubt they will ever go anywhere.

[bobc]

it does shock me more than a little. one thing I have always said that sets TT apart from just about all sports is its sportsmanship. Example holding your hand up when getting a point from a net or edge, or acknowledging an edge ball when your opponent may not have noticed. So the blocked view serves, the less than 6 inch toss, and he sideways toss all go against my "sportsmanship" statement. I have seen a few videos on this subject and correcting the issue may not be so simple, but it seems it has to start with umpires calling out serves that break the rules.

[kcyeohmy]

I wonder if eagle eye tech still in use. Cause umpires normally seat at the side of the table. From umpire stand point as long as it is toss up and it is seen upon struck it is not called. But in opponent stand point if it is toss but struck after the head, shoulder or body block the view is hard to guess it is a topspin /underspin / no spin / side left or right.
So the only way to deal with this is after the struck when the first bounce and also the sound of the struck plus the path of the curve only determine if it is top, under or no spin serve. If it is a quick and long serve pretty hard to judge. only applicable to short and slow serves.

Mostly is reverse pendulum serve. Another one is the jab or punch serve. Service required to have good timing after toss. Is best that it could help as a momentum to generate enough spin and speed or in the case of low spinny and short serve. So no matter what it needs to be around the belly area is the most energy that can be generated. So example if you place your palm at the middle line of the table. Toss a short height towards your (stomach area) for sure the degree is wide and this considered fault. But if the same palm placement at the middle of the table. Throw up higher than the height of your head (high toss serve at least one meter) and then it lands towards your stomach area it can considered not fault cause the degree is less cause it travel up high before the contact at your racket. Provided you stand up straight like samsonov serve. Another thing to note that is if it past and being block by shoulder or head (most player do sometimes even the toss is high enough) so there is actually some grey area. Most of the umpire seat the side. From the side it is seen as valid. But at the player side it will be seen as fault cause some block by shoulder or head or even late opening of the free hand after the serve. It must be seen at all time by the opponent before the ball is struck.

[bau]

noshad must be in the top 5 most annoying players to watch

[dennisabbeel]

Most annoying thing in table tennis, but it does not change as long as the rules don't get more clear or the umpires interfere more. The coaches i know learn their players to serve this way so they have a chance in competing because everybody serves this way. It isn't about being the most all around and best player anymore, it almost all about serve and receive in the game today i.m.o.

[daverbook]

Here in the USA, the USATT does less than nothing to discourage illegal serving. You go to a rated tournament, and more than half the players are knowingly serving illegally, especially at 10-9, 10-10, etc. USA trainers almost never tell their clients how to serve legally. If you call another player on it, some handle it well, others hate you for life. And the kids coming up copy the cheating of the pros, just like kids do in every sport. It's no wonder pickleball has become so popular!

[edgar]

lol. "He only plays backhand"! His first shot was a forehand return, and so was the third!😂

[alvarosb]

Empecé a jugar en 1994, el sevicio se podia esconder con el brazo, habia mas intuicion, mejores restadores y menos quejas, se cambio la regla no por la queja de los jugadores si no por las retransmisiones televisivas, igual q el aumento de tamaño de la pelota. Deje de jugar mas de 20 años y solo hemos ido hacia atras, quejas constantes de restadores, los materiales mas caros q cuando se usaba el pegamento rapido, la calidad de las gomas es mucho peor y mas costosa.. el tema de las faltas de saque es imposible de remediar a no ser que la regla deje de ser tan estricta, como explica Andreas segun el angulo muchos servicios parecen legales, la gran mayoria de profesionales hacen falta se saque todo el rato asique los partidos no podrian pararse todo el rato cuando se busca que sea un deporte dinámico. En mi opinion la regla tendria q ser bastante menos estricta ya se ha jugado con mas dificultad escondiendo el servicio y ganaba el q jugaba mejor no el mejor sacador

[joeillingworth]

When you show the ball "hidden" its from a completely different perspective than the player, who it seems can indeed see it

[main___name___main___name]

Ovtcharov tosses the ball from left to right across the width of the table for his FH tomahawk serve and it's considered good by umpires. Others make a slight deviation from front to back and it's called a fault! Where in the rules does it say it's OK to toss from left to right but not front to back???

[azraelrose]

Thanks for the video coach!
The illegals serves are really a pain, I am not playing tournaments (they are not so important) now because of the illegals serves, its really annoying to see the umpire to not take any action.

[oscargraveland]

Ping Pong with hidden serves allowed, is a completely different game from Ping Pong with hidden serves not allowed.