Joscha Bach Λ John Vervaeke: Mind, Idealism, Computation

Joscha Bach and John Vervaeke explore the nature of the mind, idealism, and computation.

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00:00:00 Introduction
00:04:26 Behind the scenes conversation
00:05:48 Joscha's opinion of John's work
00:06:52 John's opinion of Joscha's work
00:08:58 Definition of consciousness / sentience / mind / self
00:17:39 Primary qualia vs the "experience" of qualia
00:25:00 Is science compatible with Joscha's model of simulated consciousness?
00:34:55 The solution to Dualism
00:35:52 People mistake their psychedelic trips for idealism
00:40:55 We don't experience the physical world
00:42:30 The problem of skepticism and solipsism
00:52:11 What is "rationality"?
00:55:17 Mysterianism and Epistemic Boundedness
01:00:38 The boundaries of consciousness (do they exist?)
01:07:08 What is "real"? How do you know? Discussion on ontology
01:22:15 If we're in a simulation, we wouldn't know (Plato's cave)
01:27:25 The gods are personality archetypes
01:29:32 Physics is less real than the Forms
01:43:58 Academia doesn't value dialogue as content
01:57:57 Is "truth" always "good"?
02:01:45 The meaning crisis
02:11:55 What did Joscha and John think 2 years, that they no longer view to be correct?
02:16:17 Consciousness is a "government"
02:21:16 [Donald Hoffman] Is spacetime fundamental? Can there every be a Theory of Everything?
02:30:40 [Sad Face] Chinese room thought experiment of Searle's
02:36:08 Software is a physical law
02:43:45 [Zanthius] Why should a simulation "feel" anything? Meta-consciousness discussion
02:52:43 [Anil Seth] Is consciousness substrate independent?
02:55:31 Curt answers audience questions

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[DoctorCalabria]

This interview should be archived in the American Library of Congress!! Amazing. Thank you Curt for preserving greatness in our increasingly sagging intellectual culture.

[moogzoliver]

Bach is an awesome elaborator. Thank God for YouTube.

[SB]

Thank you Curt. Love John’s conscientious curiosity and Joschas consistency and breadth. A good pair with a good host.

[Meditation]

Good job Curt on making this interview happen 2 years ago. These gentlemen need to collaborate again. Its mandatory as well as other interviews with other experts and academics that you have introduced to us. ❤

[andrewjaye]

This process of discovery and understanding is the the most fantastic aspect of our existence. It is bigger than all of us. So thankful to you, and your guests. Thank you, many blessings. 🙏💗

[andrewjaye]

The world of academia needs to adopt and promulgate this format of reciprocal explication, as a platform to culminate the understanding of new ideas. You are pioneering the future of intellectual exploration and development.🙏💗

[anieldev]

Would really enjoy a part 2 with Joscha Bach and John Vervaeke !!! Thank you for this

[gilgamesh.....]

The main thing I love about your videos is they actually make me think. I watch a lot of different videos on different subjects from different channels, and they're all of interest to me, otherwise I wouldn't watch them, but with the topics yours delve into and conversations that occur things get brought up that frequently make me pause the video and just think about what was just said. I really enjoy it because it makes me go over in my own mind how I view reality and consciousness more indepthly. My hope is that a conclusion to the theories can eventually be reached and we aren't just going to be stuck i a perpetual thought experiment.

[Meditation]

I literally just sat back and listened and absorbed information. It was like male bonding between 2 experts academia style!!! Totally awesome 💯.

[grahamhenry]

The fact that Joscha referenced Minecraft’s “time set day” function in a serious debate about deep philosophical questions makes me so happy

[KipIngram]

Curt - re: your on-screen remark at 1:01:10, you are doing a *fantastic* job here. Nothing is worse than having a channel host constantly interrupting his guests and so on. You're handling this *exactly* right.

[AnagogePodcast]

Thanks for the shout out. Can't wait to dig into the episode when I have some free time tomorrow!

[nagilum]

I actually understood good chunks of this conversation. I’m very impressed with myself. Thanks for facilitating this Curt it was wonderful.

[ReflectiveJourney]

This talk works on so many symbolic level. This is music

[MoominPa]

Thank you Curt for making your guests feel comfortable and letting your guest talk.

[AdrielG.]

Hi Curt . Huh, huh, did I call it or what? THEY ARE LISTENING TO EACH OTHER! I think history will show that your contribution to mankind is more than we all know right now. Thank you for getting brilliant guests like these together . .MORE PLEASE! THANK YOU👍.

[agtjx]

This is excellent. Mr. Vervaeke was exceptional in listening and formulating questions. This aids in the understanding of Mr. Bach's book. Three brilliant minds. Thank you Mr. Jaimungal.

[junaidesse]

You really are a superhero for brings us this level and quality of content, both in terms of the calibre of the participants and the organizational logistics involved.

[Len]

I find Joscha Bach's work endlessly fascinating and generally enjoy listening to him. My only slight critique is his unique style of communicating ideas can be a double-edged sword. What i mean is that his style can frame concepts in ways that allow one to approach the ideas from a fresh perspective, but at the same time, he can sometimes present relatively straight-forward concepts in ways that are, IMO, needlessly over-complicated. I don't think it's intentional, but he weaves these sort of baroque metaphors into his explanations in such a way that it can be difficult to determine where the analogy ends and the literal begins. The result is incredibly unique ways of thinking about the ontology of consciousness, religion, idealism versus materialism, and so on, but it can sometimes leave you -- or, at least, _me_ -- with this difficult to parse hodgepodge of arcane obscurantism. There is a consistent ontology and epistemology there, but my own limitations force me to repeatedly listen sections, slow them down, and often use captions. It's less of a critique of Joscha and more-so of myself, but I'm sure I'm not alone in this.

[mlynn]

This is seriously one of the best channels on YouTube. I come away from every interview with something completely new and worthwhile to think about. Amazing!