Iain McGilchrist Λ John Vervaeke: God, Being, Meaning

Iain McGilchrist is psychiatrist & author of "The Master and His Emissary" on bilateral brain's distinction. John Vervaeke, a cognitive scientist and philosopher at the University of Toronto, has been working on the concept of Cognitive Science of Wisdom.

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00:00:00 Introduction
00:05:44 Iain on the "meaning crisis"
00:09:29 John on the "meaning crisis"
00:15:10 Technology amplifies our lack of wisdom
00:18:26 Rationality and Belief (Iain vs. John)
00:28:35 Imaginary vs. Imaginal
00:37:03 Non-theism vs. Religion (against meditation as spiritual redress)
00:53:38 Not doing vs. Un-doing vs. Being passive vs. Un-Knowing
01:09:22 The way God sees us vs. The way we see God
01:22:06 Sam Harris, Closing yourself off to the Divine, and Terror
01:29:20 The importance of Sangha (community), and how can John's neoplatonism work?
01:40:43 Faith, Whitehead, and Reciprocal Opening
01:47:56 Against "being present"
01:54:58 Marrying a religion
02:04:24 Should we certainly give up on certainty?
02:06:06 On not speaking and the un-making of TOE
02:08:14 John and Iain summate

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Timestamps and Sponsors:

00:00:00 Introduction
00:05:44 Iain on the "meaning crisis"
00:09:29 John on the "meaning crisis"
00:15:10 Technology amplifies our lack of wisdom
00:18:26 Rationality and Belief (Iain vs. John)
00:28:35 Imaginary vs. Imaginal
00:37:03 Non-theism vs. Religion (against meditation as spiritual redress)
00:53:38 Not doing vs. Un-doing vs. Being passive vs. Un-Knowing
01:09:22 The way God sees us vs. The way we see God
01:22:06 Sam Harris, Closing yourself off to the Divine, and Terror
01:29:20 The importance of Sangha (community), and how can John's neoplatonism work?
01:40:43 Faith, Whitehead, and Reciprocal Opening
01:47:56 Against "being present"
01:54:58 Marrying a religion
02:04:24 Should we certainly give up on certainty?
02:06:06 On not speaking and the un-making of TOE
02:08:14 John and Iain summate

[thebigredwagon]

Johns excitement is endearing. His lectures on meaning are incredible. In a world dominated by the Kardashian’s and materialism this content is an oxygen mask for me. Thank you all for your efforts. They are not nothing.

[nathancurry]

These two people are quite literally among the most important thinkers of this generation. The level of convergence between their respective areas of focus is remarkable. Both starting from different places and yet I think they are both describing all the features of the elephant. Cannot wait to listen to this. If there is anyone here who has not already watched 'Awakening from the Meaning Crisis' and read 'The Matter with Things' then set aside all the other meaningless things you had planned for the rest of the year and take the opportunity to change not just your life but your world. Thanks for all your hard work Curt, your channel is among the brightest beacons of light in today's seemingly endless stretch of darkness.

[scotland_from_up_high]

Hands down the best podcast episode I have ever listened to. Very profound and enriching. Kurt you are becoming a master of getting the best out of your guests by withdrawing at perfect times to let the magic unfold in front of you

[StolenHandel]

Currently reading The Master and his Emissary. It may be the most impacful book I have ever read in the sense that it is actually changing the way that I think, or more precisely, the way that I view myself. if you haven't read it yet I would stop what you are doing and purchase it.

[goodsirknight]

Curt, this is just unbelievable. I am a long time listener to your podcast and always really enjoy your guests (particularly the less technical ones :) but this is without doubt the most urgent, thought-provoking and pertinent discussions i've ever listened to - it's like a beautiful dance with their own rhythms and wisdom but totally complementing and bringing the best out in each other. So thank you for doing what you do, and to these absolute titans, two humble and brilliant men. how do you follow this?

[cruiser]

Wow Curt I am so impressed with the caliber of guests you manage to bring on, amazing work my friend!

[uhohspaghettiohss]

John is so sweet at the end toward Iain and you can tell that Iain really appreciated John's compliments and felt true fellowship with him. These kinds of discussions give me so much hope and shine in such a way that the light falls over so much of the territory I occupy. What a gift. Thank you.

[Bolden]

This is honestly one of my favorites of TOE.. controversy and debate not needed when truth and expansive ideas are being discussed and explored

[hamletwinston]

You exercised brilliant restraint and let the fountain of knowledge flow. Incredible pairing and incredible job done, big dawg

[johnericsson]

Two of my favourites, can’t wait to hear this

[andrewphoenix]

Two of the greatest minds of our time converging at a time when it's needed the most. Thank you TOE for facilitating this conversation

[uhohspaghettiohss]

Curt you are making my dreams come true. If I was the king of the universe one of my first orders of business would be a conversation between these two. I am so grateful to you brother. Please keep it up.

[itssameLuigi]

You are facilitation beautiful conversations inside our universe my friend. Can't wait to see what comes out of this. Plus accessible to the general public, leveling up global consciousness one video at a time. Enlightenement has never been easier. Love.

[sheilac]

Thanks for this episode, Curt. What a treat to see these two in conversation.

[ChildofGod]

God makes us victorious when we put Him in the center of our circumstances! I encourage you to hold on to this hope that nothing is impossible for God! Like so many others, I lost my job as a social worker at Forsyth Hospital because I declined the vaccine. I declined because of my pre existing health condition lupus and heart disease. I was denied my medical/religious exemption. I’m waitressing but not making nearly enough to make ends meet. I have two beautiful boys both are autistic. My husband passed away years ago. I’m all alone. Every month is a battle to not end up on the streets with my two children. I’m constantly in fear of losing my home. But even as I face homelessness seemingly every month. I have faith, God will provide. He always shows up in the nick of time. With GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE when you put him first. Please pray for me and my children. God bless.

[SDTarot]

A lovely conversation between these two. I have many things to take away and ponder on. Thank you Curt for hosting this 🤍🌼

[LS-quyc]

Iain McGilchrist. Never get tired of him and his books. This was an interesting way to better understand Vervaeke though. I liked the bouncing back and forth. Great discussion

[davidruiz]

I was looking forward to another conversation between these two great thinkers. Thanks for making it happen.

[ilikedogs]

You’re pod is infinitely better than JRE could ever be