Was Nietzsche Against Nihilism? #philosophy #nihilism

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[MunkeeFlip]

Gotta be honest the constant twitch notification kills anything you are trying to say

[jeffmiller]

I think the key here was what you hit at the end: Nietzsche was against nihilism as a belief system. And what he meant by facing the abyss was—as Jason Wirth persuasively argues in Nietzsche and Other Buddhas—facing the utter relativity of our conceptual overlays of the real (dogmatic and / or egotistical insistence on *conceptual* Truth); that such facing we necessarily experience as a kind of ontological emptiness (*not* in the Buddhist sense) and epistemological meaninglessness. And then we affirm our humanity (and ultimately the real as such) in the face of this, without returning to dogmatic adherence to conceptual overlays / overdetermining the real, ourselves, or one another. Thus overcoming nihilism, not allowing it to become yet another dogmatic system.

[timetochronicle]

Sounds to me like Nietzsche was an existentialist. Or a proto-existentialist in the vein of Sartre

[PetersonSilva]

See the problem is the definition. Nietzsche used his own definition of nihilism (for him Christians for example were nihilists). So we gotta be careful when trying to define him that way

[thecomfortinthesound]

Well said! Difficult topic, but generally agree here with this interpretation. As usual, interpreting Nietzsche calls for a lot of nuance.

[keatomic]

I just came across to you and I thought this was funny. I've read the entire works of Nietzsche from the Walter Kaufman translations. There also exist the Schlechta translations of 1911 which were as I understand not as accurate to manuscript. Nietzsche's close friend Paul Ree was Jewish. Nietzsche wasn't against Jewish culture but religion as a social limitation. It's many detrimental affects on society as an elevator of the weak elements. His opinion as I understand it was that decadence was destroying the progress (in a sense that dogmatic ethics were inhibiting dynamic ethics) (which I don't entirely agree because a basic ethos is required to designate any degree of concept as defined by the term society) (but maybe a little give and take is not bad. Like "hey mom, it's Saturday night! Please just one more cookie before I go to bed?"). I forgot what I was saying. Anyway yeah. Cats are really great pets.

[tommykrynock]

What's it called when you want to go past the void

[OngoGablogian]

Active and passive nihilism. He saw that nihilism was what one will likely fall into when accepting certain views on existence, but he was against staying in that pit instead of fighting to escape it.

[goobertonIII]

I don't remember if it was him or one of his followers, but I remember that there was a concept of "leaning into the void"

[iroh]

How I understand, Niestche wasnt *against* nihilism. Instead, he saw it as innevitable. Values, institutions, religion and culture imposed on individuals determine how we live, think and act. But, these things will erode over time, leaving us with nothing that *tells* us how to live and what purpose we have. Here, most people, without imposed values to guide them, will choose to live for nothing with no purpose (Nihilism). The Superior man chooses instead to think for himself. Without these wider structures to guide his thinking, he finds his *own* purpose and way of life. He doesnt sucumb to the inndvitable nihilism. His will and strength allows him to overcome it. Through this, he is superior.

[cat_city]

"When we live in a society"
Deep.

[alfaalfa]

He was against having a passive attitude in nihilism, he was acepting the fact of nothingness but we should make an active effort of creating virtue in life.

[mxlxok]

There's a difference between passive and active nihilism!

[VangelisMouhtsis]

Read what Heraclitus wrote to understand Nietzsche.

[hpwombat]

Also, as a nihilist anarchist, Nietzsche is a definite influence, but "nihilism" as a signifier of meaning, fails. The passive/active split is a fabrication made by try-hards. Historic (Russian) nihilists are more akin to socialists and left populists, differing from the later Marxists in embracing peasant commune style socialism, seeing the immediate overthrow of the upper class (though not necessarily the Tzar) as necessary. Nechayev defines nihilism as much as Russian literature as the Tzar's brutality pressed the cultural revolution of "new people" into the ground. The Tzar's brutality ultimately led to his assassination at the hands of the nihilistic "People's Will". The following Tzar would crush the nihilistic movement more so than the previous, ending the nihilists of Russia and all movements for a generation under tyrannical suppression. The SRs inherited the ideals of the nihilists and put them into a true political party with an embrace of assassination politics up until the SRs were absorbed into the Bolsheviks.

[PhilospherDjPsychologist]

You know what I say to the Void
Hear Me Roar

[ErikratKhandnalie]

Nietzsche was against Nihilism as a value, but he was unfortunately also really good at arguing for it as a fact of existence.

[irish_deconstruction]

'We live in a society'

*joker intensifies*

[keatomic]

Seriously everything you're saying in this video is just not structured thought. you're just confusing people who might be otherwise be intelligently comprehending this . The concepts that you're putting forward have books and books of thought progression before these conclusions are presented. Smh