Why Nietzsche HATED Stoicism | Philosophy

In this video I go over why Friedrich Nietzsche disliked Stoicism (well known western philosophy founded by the likes of: Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, Epictetus etc…) & how he demonstrated his distaste for it in his book: Beyond Good & Evil

[caesars.]

Don’t have to take everything a man says as gospel. Bruce Lee said it best “ Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is specifically your own “

[josephe]

I use stoicism instrumentally, like a box that I put the things I can not control .. but not when it comes to my goals in life, because I'm highly aware of the fine line between stoicism and nihilsm

[AroundElvesWatchUrselves]

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[jericho]

This is well done, I expected a lot more views on the video. I hope the channel grows and prospers, you bring good content to the table.

[thevisitor]

I’ve always felt Nietzsche and Stoicism to be two halves of a complete work in strength and self mastery

[jeremylynwood]

His arguments seem to apply more to Cynicism than Stoicism

[adamdickson]

Loved to have seen a live debate between Nietzsche and Seneca

[CinematicD]

Sounds like Nietzsche was personally attacked by Stoicism 😂

[giovannadellana]

We shouldn't forget, though, that Nietzsche didn't reject everything from the stoic worldview. For starters, when he was in middle school he was very keen on stoicism and the concept that you aren't affected by things you have no control over. But most importantly, he later on adopted the concept of Amor Fati (the love of everything that happens, a yes to life), which was originally taken from the stoics. Stoics stressed the importance of our "inner freedom", and put it in direct relation with the aforementioned Amor Fati. Stoicism isn't to be thought of as a philosophy of resentment and "décadence".

[NoSenatorson]

He superimposes a more contemporary meaning to “live according to nature.” He never addresses the stoic internal locus of control teachings. Also, it can be confusing if the word nature is loosely defined.

[andrjuska]

If Nietzsche "hated" stoicism, then why did he take one of stoic principles - that being _Amor fati_ - and put it in such an important place in his own philosophy?

We need to take a look beyond 'Beyond Good and Evil', to see that he didn't despise this philosophy, but regarded it with deep respect. One reason for that is the already mentioned 'Amor fati'. Another reason is the fact that he decided to use his words to criticise it: we do not criticise that which we do not consider important or does not concern us in any way whatsoever. I could also argue that Nietzsche lived his life in a stoic way: remember, he had always suffered from numerous health problems, yet he fearlessly took a path of a dangerous living (by leaving his safe job place as a professor) in order to be able to improve himself as a philosopher - or, in other words, endure what has to be endured, in order to fulfill one's duty as a human being: in his case, writing great works of philosophy which still affect our thought.

[mvuyisogqwaru]

Great video. Something Nietzsche did miss though is that Epictetus actually recommends people against calling themselves Stoics because of the vast implications of this claim. He speaks about how easier it is to try your best to practice Stoicism, than become a Stoic.

[TheMisfit]

Nietzsche: "I hated stoicism"
Stoic: "Why you implore your people to Amor Fati?"
Nietzsche: "That wasn't me, that was patricia"

[johnz]

This video is a misleading incomplete presentation of Nietzsche's view of the value of Stoicism.. Note in Daybreak Bk. 5, #546, Nietzsche''s admiration for Epictetus and Nietzsche's comment that such is life is one of supreme bravery. By implication and adaptation a life modeled after the Stoics can still be lived. The Stoic view of nature has the limitations this video rightly describes, but it is incomplete to claim Nietzsche hated Stoicism in sum.

[Lexthebarbarian]

The philosophy of Nietzsche and stoicism. A perfect combination if you want to live a life with quality, honor, virtue and deep spiritual adventures. Do them both. Is like Bjj and Muay Thai together.

[mpcc]

I think Nietzsche understood stoicism from a psychological perspective rather than a purely philosophical one.

[lightwishatnight]

Nietzsche interested me in my teen angsty years. Aurelius is what makes sense to me in my adulthood.

[abnerbushi]

Anyone that claims Nietzsche didn't understand something is making a very, very bold claim.

[damianbylightning]

Nietzsche did not 'hate' Stoic philosophy. In many ways he was stoic and a Stoic.

Neither can it be said that he was an Epicurean. He took from both traditions and from others too, even the ones he thoroughly hated. There is something of the reform Christian, in Nietzsche - if you want to look for it.
He was certainly nearer to being a Stoic than being an Epicurean - certainly one of today's neo-Epicureans, who would make him vomit if he were unfortunate enough to meet such a hipster-fascist Last Man- and not know it.

He was with the Cynics - and nodded to the Stoics. The chief error of the Epicurean, for N, was that they failed to realise that virtue is what life is about. Nietzsche was always willing to learn from all schools - even if it were a negative lesson.

Virtue, belief in a form of virtue, growing in adversity and growth and morality coming through personal development, were important to Nietzsche's often changing ideas.

The contemporary world could be improved if we rejected the mushy modern Epicureanism that has been spewed on us - and instead read such movements through Nietzsche's critical eye. He
We could do a lot worse than embracing Nietzsche's idiosyncratic take on Stoicism, Cynicism and others.

[abraham]

"All life is a game of luck"
Jack in Titanic
"But a true man makes his own luck"
The other man.