MECCA was not known by a single ancient EMPIRE!

​It's always great when I find a well thought out and crafted comment in the comment section below. A few days ago one of our viewers, 'Falkenauge4.0 Ace' wrote a brilliant overview of the problem concerning the non-history of the city of Mecca, which I now produce below in its entirety, because it says everything we need to hear.

It was his comment which I simply used in this video, reading it out loud, and then applying maps to help you all follow and understand the kingdoms, empires, and cities he was referring to.

Why? To prove that with those many kingdoms and empires all around Mecca, all of whom kept records of their histories, yet not once referring to Mecca in their records; this would suggest that Mecca never ever existed during the life and times of those empires. That is indeed damaging to Mecca's credibility historically.

Below then is Falkenauge4.0Ace's overview:​

Permit me to give you "just a few examples, but there are many more. It is impossible to imagine a city like MECCA and claim that it has the longest life in the history of Arab cities unless you have a record.

In this case, the region was also well documented for cities that only lasted a few centuries. However, there was no record of a city called Mecca. Small kingdoms south of Mecca have been documented with great accuracy in the ancient history of Arabia, but Mecca has no record to support the Islamic claim of its ancient existence.

SABA and HIMYAR present a series of 102 kings who lived from the 9th century BC, and up to the 6th century AD. This is proof that Mecca did not exist in those ancient times. If it had existed, it should have had archaeological records for every generation of its history.

The history of the ancient cities of EASTERN and WESTERN ARABIA, which existed for many millennia before Christ, and even dated back to the time of Abraham, contains numerous archaeological finds that reveal their story. But they also prove that Mecca could not have existed in Abraham's lifetime without any records to support him.

The PATRIARCHS who lived near Abraham never mentioned a trip by Abraham to the unknown desert of western Arabia during his time. Neither did any of the other inspired prophets in the Bible, nor any literature of Abraham's descendants mention such a trip. Although kingdoms and civilizations were few in the time of Abraham, yet their inscriptions prove that they were known to one another. However, none of them mentioned Mecca.

The inscriptions of the HIMYARITES who occupied up to the area where Mecca was later built confirm that Mecca did not exist during the 3rd century AD. It is illogical that all the nations occupying central western Arabia would overlook Mecca yet would not know if its existence when these nations existed.

The ASSYRIANS and BABYLONIANS all had ancient empires that occupied north and CENTRAL-WEST ARABIA. Yet, none of them mentioned the existence of Mecca. In fact, Mecca is absent from the Assyrian political, military, and commercial scene, while other tribes of western Arabia are mentioned in the Assyrian records.

Mecca, if it existed at the time of Sargon II, would have been referred to alongside the various Arab tribes including Saba, all of which were mentioned in the inscriptions of that period. Mecca was absent from the military, trade and religious documents during Sennacherib's reign. Although Ashurbanipal had many contacts with Arab tribes and had reached the city of TAYMA, Mecca is absent from those Assyrian records speaking about him. Nabonidus occupied the cities of the region near Mecca, and despite the fact that he lived in Tayma for ten years, he never mentioned Mecca.

The PERSIANS occupied many parts of Arabia and had alliances with tribes and states, but Mecca is absent from their records.

During the ROMAN expedition to Western Arabia, they precisely documented all the villages and towns in the region. Their work shows that Mecca did not exist in the Christian era, nor in the 1st century AD. Great empires, stretching for millennia or more, occupied central western Arabia and mentioned the tiny villages, yet none of them mentioned Mecca.

How can Muslims ignore the records of these great empires?

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[pfanderfilms]

Muslims have been posting pictures of maps from the ancient world with Mecca on them. What they aren't aware of is that these are all modern day maps redacting back where the Islamic Traditions say Mecca would have been in the 7th century. Look at the 6th and 7th century maps I provided and you will see that Mecca is conspicuously missing in all of them. This was work carried out by Dr Patricia Crone in 1987, not my work.

[lindaclark]

It is so profoundly PAINFUL to me, that 1.7 billion people follow a religion that is based on lies. And surely their men of knowledge MUST know these things.

[marco-antonio.]

As a man who loves ancient history and theology, this is truly one of the most important and fascinating videos I've ever seen. Well done Dr Jay.

[michaelsowerby]

The truth doesn't fear exposure, lies do!

[Knuffeldier]

Best polemicist on youtube. Many thanks mr. Smith.

[littleyeshayahou]

even in the red sea trade route, which links mediteranean civilisation to india, Mecca is absent

[sebassanchezc-]

MOHAMMED and Mohammadans had to create an equivalent of Israel, a holy city, a place for pilgrimage, a city with mythic values to make his followers focus and feel proud and deceive them.
Islam is an invention

[rroyr]

I've had Muslims coming to me trying to discredit you and your work. God has given them over to a reprobate mind. God Bless you Jay!!! the evangelical

[Abuallah]

Dr jay smith and david wood is the reason i left islam

[daynehaworth]

Thanks Jay! This is excellent. Can I ask for a part 2. You seem to cover 1900BC to 300AD but would be interested to hear about what the Greeks, Sassanids and Byzantines also had to say about Mecca. And to hear which 9th & 10th century docs start mentioning Mecca. So would love part 2 from 300AD to 1000AD?

Please 🙃🙏🏼

[OmegaFighter]

It was narrated that Aisha said: Al Harith-bin Hisham asked the Messenger of Allah: ‘How does the Revelation come to you?’ He said: ‘Like the ringing of a bell, and when it departs, I remember what he (the Angel) said. - Sunan an Nasa’i 933 Book 11 Hadith 58

Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger as saying: ‘The bell is the musical instrument of the Satan.’ Sahih Muslim 2114

[mkennedy]

I guess I never considered that the early history of Mohamed and Mecca could be fabricated. Thanks for bringing this up.

[mikegreen]

My ancestors sailed from Mecca on the Mayflower to Plymouth Rock.

[quintuslentulus]

Jay you have to understand this; It doesn't matter what history says or what archeological documents you find to support your claim, whatever doesn't agree with Islam has been corrupted! This includes some of the most trusted Muslim sources, it all depends on what they say about Muhammad.
On the other hand, no matter how weak the sources, if they speak of Islam in a good light, they have not been corrupted and they are not questioned. You cannot defeat Islamic logic!

[tompeters]

Thanks Prof. You have taught Muslims more than what they have ever learned from their scholars. You have shown them that no truth exists in Islam but assumptions and outright lies. Unfortunately, its attributable to Allah!

[paulwilliams]

Thanks very much Dr Smith for the hard work, may God bless you and your family.

[sislertx]

Well the holes get deeper and deeper...and steeper and steeper

[robthethinker]

Quote of the year "All ancient empires have histories. Yet, not one of them knew of Mecca!"

[bobfisher]

The Quran should start off like so: Once upon a time in a vast baron land was a boy who was born of four years of age, father died in battle before he was born his mother died when he was six years of age the same age of a girl he married when he was in his 50's.
The story which is told tells us only Allah knows the Quran which he sent down, one would ask why would Allah give a book that benefits no man but the one who he revealed it too / wrote it!!!
Scholars for a thousand years have wrote what they think it means as they recited it for 400 years before it was written, so which of the 37 are right who has the perfect unchanged protected and preserved Quran today? Its not me saying this its the verse within that proclaim its perfect the day it came down to a ghost in Mecca.. Peace and love.

[premman]

there is an area in Indonesia called 'serambi mekah(mecca)' meaning a 'gateway to mecca' which points to the north west most corner of Indonesian archipelago known to the world as Aceh province and this is the only area in Indonesia that runs the sharia law in full. lashing, whipping, hand chopping, head chopping etc. so now you said that serambi mekah' is a gate way to no where? no wonder we from the other part of Indonesia always feel Aceh is like a gate way to hell with the head chopping stuff.