Mecca is NOT on any Map!

This is a real quicky, showing you a number of 6th and 7th century maps, none of which have Mecca on them.

Yet, if Mecca is the oldest city in history (i.e. the Qur'an intimates that Adam and Eve were sent there when they were thrown out of the Garden of Eden in Surah 7:24), and it is where Abraham lived and rebuilt the Kaba'ah according to Surah 21:51-71 (thus, 1900 BC); if it was the center of the Islamic Empire, and the center of all the trade in that area (according to the later Traditions), and if it was where Muhammad was born, grew up, and finally moved from in 622 AD, then why is it not on any map from that time period at all?

In fact, why does it not show on any map until 900 AD?

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[zimroel]

Makkah fell down into
one of them darn holes
in the narrative.

[thesarasohrabi]

Muslims after this: Mohmmad peace be upon him lived at Mecca existence be upon it 😀

[sirunikunushik]

Jay:There is no Mecca in early maps.
Muslims: It's there Jay, you just don't want to see it.

[universalflamethrower]

there is probably a hole in the map right where the sheep ate through it

[cristiant]

And yet, no serious scholar want to address this quanandrum from this early arab maps, after all. How they get away with this?!

[LetsGo-ikzm]

The hole in the narrative just keeps on getting bigger

[RepentJesusChrist]

More and more evidence, islam is history!!!

[theorthoguy]

imagine living your entire life in arabia and mohammed never existed, after 300 years you are granted the ability to look at the earth and you find people just following someone who never existed, your reaction ?

[googleplususer]

Only those do NOT look like actual 6th and 7th century original maps. The last one even has modern English on it ! That didn't exist for hundreds of years later.
They also all have printed lettering on them. The printing press was not invented until the 15th century (iirc). You need to show originals or facsimile copies thereof.

[StephenCowley]

It would be good to know more about the provenance of these maps though.

[talisupremacy]

Tbf wasn't the current day mecca some backwater village a century ago ?

[Yuyup]

So we have now "holes in the maps" beside the already well known "holes in the narratives".

What a hard homework for our mslm friends?

[sidstam]

Perhaps early Mecca was like the Marvel movie kingdom of Wakanda? (Hidden to 6/7th century civilization & map-makers by Islamic invisible shielding technology.)

[jasontarmon]

Where do you get that these are 6th and 7th century maps? The first is a 16th c. map. The second and third are the same map, just cropped differently, and is from the 18th c. The final map is also dated to the 18th century and all of the maps' city information seem to come from Claudius Ptolemy, a 2nd century geographer.

I don't know if a 6/7th century Arabian map exists or not, but if not you're just going to have to work with textual accounts of the time. Please don't spread inaccuracies.

For this 16th c. woodcut version of the 2nd c. Ptolemy map that's shown, search for
For the second/third map, search "World Digital Library item 2923"
For the last, search "The Kingdoms of Armenia, Pontus, Cappadocia, Media Basire, Isaac"

[ouss]

Jay I have a theory:
What if the first four califs and Muwawiya were all sons of Iyas, that when he died, his empire was divided betwen his sons and Muwawiya was the last surviving son so he took it all

[edom]

Hello Dr Jay. i am studying at a Bible School and i would like to do my paper work degrre on Islam and all the things i have been watching on your channel. can you help me with resources that i need to do my work? books, articles. thanks a lot.

[gramaniguna]

Dear jay
If we have to confirm the existance of a place in its past, the mention of its name in a past map has to be corraborated by archealogical artifacts of that period also.
Even if we get a map of pre islamic mecca it wont suffice for a confirmation.
So far we did not have any pre islamic archealogical artifacts found in and around mecca in all the enormous excavations done done for tha constructions of skyscrappers
So these facts clearly prove that mecca didnot exist before 4 th or 5 th century AD

[dundadunda]

Where are the imminent muslim academic scholars to refute all this
..where are they please im losing my deen here

[trismegistus]

1:25 That is a printed map from 1542, a reprint of the map of Ptolemee (2th century). The other maps are printed maps as well...

[lahleholivia]

The description of mecca in the quran is incorrect.