[Audiobook-English 2] The Fallacy which lies in the Theory of Predestination and Divine Election

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00:00 The Fallacy which lies in the Theory of Predestination and Divine Election
04:18 DIVINE ELECTION IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
07:54 GOD IS JUST
10:25 DIVINE ELECTION IN THE STORY OF JACOB AND ESAU
15:33 THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
19:09 THE FALSE GRADUAL SANCTIFICATION THEORY
23:07 THE COMPLETE DELIVERANCE FROM ALL SINS
26:35 JESUS GRANTED ETERNAL REDEMPTION ONCE AND FOR ALL
30:31 THE RELATION BETWEEN THE BAPTISM OF JESUS AND REDEMPTION
36:44 THE RESULT OF FAITH NOT IN TRUTH, BUT IN WORKS
38:33 WE BECOME RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH
43:11 VERSES THAT SINNERS USE AS THEIR SHELTER
47:41 THE PROPER CONFESSION AND THE TRUE FAITH
50:10 TO SIMPLY LIST ONE’S SINS IS NOT WHAT 1 JOHN 1:9 TELLS US ABOUT CONFESSION
52:16 “DEPART FROM ME”
55:00 SINS OF FALSE BELIEVERS ARE RECORDED IN THE BOOK OF WORKS
59:10 IS YOUR NAME IN THE BOOK OF LIFE?
01:06:14 JESUS: THE ADVOCATE FOR THE RIGHTEOUS
01:11:50 THE UNTRUTH LEADS US TO HELL

[TheNewLifeMission]

00:00 The Fallacy which lies in the Theory of Predestination and Divine Election
04:18 DIVINE ELECTION IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
07:54 GOD IS JUST
10:25 DIVINE ELECTION IN THE STORY OF JACOB AND ESAU
15:33 THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
19:09 THE FALSE GRADUAL SANCTIFICATION THEORY
23:07 THE COMPLETE DELIVERANCE FROM ALL SINS
26:35 JESUS GRANTED ETERNAL REDEMPTION ONCE AND FOR ALL
30:31 THE RELATION BETWEEN THE BAPTISM OF JESUS AND REDEMPTION
36:44 THE RESULT OF FAITH NOT IN TRUTH, BUT IN WORKS
38:33 WE BECOME RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH
43:11 VERSES THAT SINNERS USE AS THEIR SHELTER
47:41 THE PROPER CONFESSION AND THE TRUE FAITH
50:10 TO SIMPLY LIST ONE’S SINS IS NOT WHAT 1 JOHN 1:9 TELLS US ABOUT CONFESSION
52:16 “DEPART FROM ME”
55:00 SINS OF FALSE BELIEVERS ARE RECORDED IN THE BOOK OF WORKS
59:10 IS YOUR NAME IN THE BOOK OF LIFE?
01:06:14 JESUS: THE ADVOCATE FOR THE RIGHTEOUS
01:11:50 THE UNTRUTH LEADS US TO HELL

[vigilantezack]

Scripture makes it clear through and through that God has a chosen elect, given to the son, and that the son will call them and they will hear his voice and he will save them. There is no wishy-washy language regarding this. Christ died for his sheep, and it worked, and they will be saved. He didn't die so hopefully some will be smart enough to figure out to choose him.
There is no theological problem with God having multiple types of wills, or desires. Just because scripture says God desires all men to be saved, we also know this won't happen. I think it's safe to say God also desired Adam and Eve not to disobey, but they did. So God desiring something, and what actually happens, don't need to align.
If Romans 9 isn't clear enough, if the analogy of the potter and the clay isn't clear enough, then I don't know what can convince people of God's ultimate sovereignty over his own creation to do with it as he pleases.
Much of the beginning of this audiobook were arguments from emotion and basic philosophical musings. "Wouldn't people be just so offended to learn they weren't elected?" Actually no, they wouldn't, because none seeks after God, the heart of man is desperately wicked. Nobody is offended that they aren't elect, they are haters of God, not lovers of God. Unless God replaces the heart of stone with a heart of flesh, they will die in their sins, rightfully so.

The problem with the anti-Calvin types is that they have far too high a view of man's goodness and control, and make God more passive on stand-by until we make up our minds about him. But what we read in scripture is God's righteous sovereignty and man's ultimate depravity. That we can't do anything without his grace and mercy. That we are dead in tresspasses and sins. That our "good works" are like dirty rags.
Romans 3:10-12: "There is no one righteous, not even one. There is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away; all alike have become worthless. There is no one who does what is good, not even one."
This paints the accurate picture of mankind's current state. A people completely devoid of good.
You won't hear this language from the anti-Calvin types, as they give great power and ability to humans to seek after God, find him, turn to him, call upon him, seemingly without God's elective power and initiating grace.
The pro-Calvin types tend to have that focus on man's complete inability to do what is good and righteous. The use-case and model for this is found in Lazarus. A dead rotting body, who can do absolutely nothing for himself unless God quickens him back to life and calls him by name. Only then can Lazarus respond to the call, but not before.

One question to ask ourselves is, did Christ's death on the cross save anybody? This is not a play on words, because if one rejects the biblical teaching of an elect group, then Christ died for nobody. He died so that savation becomes a "possibility" for people, but no actual people were absolutely saved. God can just hope some do come to him, but nobody in particular was on his mind.

The concept that the elect that scripture speaks of, are just the people who eventually do choose him, is not in scripture. The so-called "God looks through the corridor of time and sees who will choose him and so he chooses them for his elect" is a man-made concept to get around the plain teaching of Ephesians 1:4.

I think the theological problem we all have with the pro-Calvin/anti-Calvin debate is that we simply cannot reconcile how it can be that God is in control, but also mankind is fully responsible for himself. The anti-Calvin types hate the idea that some aren't elect because they think these people "have no choice" or that they would be begging and pleading to become saved but God has to stop them and push them back. It's nonsense. Any person who finds themselves judged and sent to hell will know exactly whey they are there and why they deserve it. They won't be shouting about how unfair it is. That is what the anti-Calvin types do. "This is unfair, I totally would have chosen you if only I wasn't unelected!" It doesn't work that way.
However, the pro-Calvin types have to struggle with a kind of fatalism that can trap us into thinking nothing is really our choice at all since God was sovereign over it. Or struggle with the idea that so much bad and corruption and evil happens but they still have to declare it was God's will.

If we take the two positions in contrast:
1) God elected people and will save those people 100%.
2) All people can come to Christ if they are convinced.

By definition, logically, theologically, and in all possible worlds, #1 is a better situation for humans. The main reason to believe this is because God is perfect, holy, righteous, loving, just, and everything else that mankind is NOT. Therefore leaving this decision to God is ultimately going to be the best outcome. Leaving this decision to mankind who is not righteous, just, holy, loving, perfect, etc, means in every possibly way they will screw it up compared to what God can do.

To suggest that when things are left in man's power and control, it would somehow turn out better than if God had control and made his decisions about things, is lunacy. Mankind can't do anything better than God can! This is why there is beauty in the Calvinist position, because in God's sovereignty he is ultimately doing what is best. No matter what happens in life or death, we rest in the knowledge that God has his purposes. Without that knowledge you are simply left shaking your hands at God, "how could you!" Because in the non-Calvinist worldview, God is passive, waiting for us to make up our minds and doesn't get in our way. So when bad things happen, you cannot say there was any purpose to it, no eternal meaning, no way to believe "what man meant for evil, God meant for good."

Even so, people still would rather push the concept of man's power into scripture because they can't tolerate God can run the universe better than we can. They require control to be in man's hands, they require that sovereignty of free-will of man and take away the free will of God to do what he wants. God's will in salvation must be squashed lest man's free will is impinged even a little.

Let God be true and every man a liar!
I'll stake my position on God's ultimate sovereignty over his creation. His effectual work on the cross that actually saved people. And that there is a great mystery in that I still have my will to make my own choices, and I'm responsible for them. Just as anybody in hell is responsible for their choices, and anybody in heaven is responsible for theirs.