Defeating Adventism # 115 – Seventh-day Adventists Deny the Afterlife as taught in Luke 16:19-31

This video addresses the false Seventh-day Adventist “wish” that the passage in Luke 16:19-31 does not teach an afterlife. Christ in this passage teaches many things, one of which is retributions and punishment exist for some and heavenly bliss for others. This lesson teaches that God has a system of justice and to ignore the rewards and the punishments is to ignore the whole counsel of God. But, Seventh-day Adventists do ignore the whole counsel of God.
Christ taught in this story and a story directed to the Pharisees, a warning that if a person does not repent and in this case, since it is pre-resurrection, it is an acceptance of Him as Messiah. Their refusal to recognize the Messiah of God will result in punishment and that punishment is described as experiencing physical torment.

CITED SOURCES
Wikipedia – Augustine of Hippo

Wikipedia – Pope Gregory I

Wikipedia – Herod the Great

Wikipedia – G. Campbell Morgan

World History – The Tales of Prince Setna

[karl]

James thanks for the diligent research that you put into this ministry.

[RandomTChance]

When I started at my Church, it taught that the story was a true account of actual events. Decades later after many travels and congregations attended I returned to the Church of my youth. When I said it was a true story they said it was a parable. WOW!
I told one of my friends that I saw it as a real event and if he saw it differently I was ok with that.
Whether it's a real event or instructive parable, as you and others have said, it teaches that when this body dies people continue.
Blessings Jim 🙏

[susanepp]

I attended SDA day schools and Sabbath School. I can't recall this passage ever being discussed.

[samuelflores]

Without Lies SDA Dies! God bless you brother and your ministry!

[MoniqueChatenay]

Hi Jim, Monique here. I just finished watching #116. Excellent, very clear to me. It makes more sense. Thank you.

[kevinsBiblicaldiscussions]

good stuff bro. Can't wait for part two

[_happylifedog]

Great video! We’ll researched as always.

[RandomTChance]

Hey Jim, I know this is out of place but I wish to share it with you and hopefully my fellow Believers.

How many have been indoctrinated into thinking Jesus'sacrifice has something to do with the Day of Atonement?
Jesus was the Passover Lamb.
Remember when John said, behold the goat of God? Of course you don't because John proclaimed Jesus was the LAMB of God.
Stop and think for a minute.
Did the people eat the goat?
When the goat was thrown over the cliff don't you think bones were broken?
Jesus gave us His flesh to eat symbolically.
Not one of our dear Saviors bones was broken fulfilling Scripture.
Stop pandering to Adventists over a sacrifice that has nothing to do with our redemption.
Stop trying to force pieces together that have nothing to do with each other. Yes, there are similarities but that's where it ends.
Look at the Passover sacrifice and you will find they are a perfect match.
🕊️

[MoniqueChatenay]

Thank you so much. Very useful for me. I doubted SDA comments about it. Waiting for the next video. Monique

[enigma]

I was raised in the SDA church, and it took me so long to realize what the Bible really teaches. The reality of Hell, helped me a lot to deal with my sins. It´s a lot easier to fight sinfull toughts when you know that is Hell for those that are not in Christ. When sin knocks my door, rather than considering the temptation, I think on the reality of Hell, and it helps me to stand with Christ. I meam, a lepear hurts himself because he feels no pain. Pain is bad, but it is an alarm. If we have no alarms, it gets so dangerous. So the spiritual life is a playground, its a battleground. It´s a choice between Heaven and Hell. When temptation comes, I just think that there is a REAL and HOT HELL, and a very nice Heaven, and this consideration helps my sinfull nature to make its way out of temptation.

[umabrijmohun]

SDA, are not to be trusted with Bible interpretation - I agree 100%-looking forward to part2

[PavelMosko]

I got to say this general area that I call Physicalism or Adventism's attack on what they call "Pagan Platonism" in Christianity was probably the most challenging aspect of all their false teaching. I can only compare it to certain "Postmodern" attempts to "Deconstruct" things and basically undermine the foundations of things. At first it is very disconcerting, but I have been studying the foundations of Christianity for almost 3 decades and I know there are very deep and multifaceted reasons why we have doctrines on such things as Life After death, not to mention more cerebral things like God being outside of time (not subject to time, but above it).

I also find myself subtly amused by Adventism. In life there are often a lot of ironies and paradoxes. I first learned this early from my father who couldn't speak a lick of English when he came over to the US from Europe in the early 50s as a refugee from the Second World War and the rise of the iron curtain from Czechoslovakia. He began to notice that it was always the least intelligent and worst students that made fun of his speech. Anyway, it is funny so much of our so called "Pagan Platonism", really comes from New Testament revelations, not to mention the ancient testimony of the 1st Christians, but Adventism in trying to justify their movement and neo-prophetic movement tries to destroy or usurp the most cutting age aspects of the New Testament!!

[benjaminparadise]

Luke 16:31, not even somebody raised from the dead could convince them. That is not an allegory.

[RandomTChance]

A possible debate:
AA, The Bible says...
Adventist, EGWitless says...
AA, The Bible says...
Adventist, EGWitless says...
AA, The Bible says...
Adventist, EGWitless says...
AA, See EGWitless is wrong according to Scripture!
Adventist, I don't believe everything she wrote...
😂😮😂😮😂

[johngreene]

Another great video.

I was thinking early on in this video that it really doesn't matter whether this is a parable or real or the Egyptian tale as Jesus would not tell us the dead are conscious after death if they weren't. This would not fit His character. He is trying to teach using this example and not just tell an interesting story that has no meaning. So, I agree with your conclusion at the end.

[davidhynd]

Given that Jesus knows the truth about what happens after death, why would he mislead people by suggesting that there is torment in flames if such torment is untrue? If the SDA teaching is correct then both the rich man and Lazarus should have been unconscious and oblivious to either reward or punishment. No matter what the origin of the story, the point of the story is very clear. There is coming judgement. There will be both reward and punishment. It's easily the most difficult and repellant of all Biblical teaching, but that doesn't entitle us to call God a liar or to ignore clear teaching just because we don't like it. Like my grandfather's favourite hymn says, "Be very sure. Be very sure..."

[HammerJagg]

I apologize if this has been pointed out already. And I haven’t finished watching this video yet. But the thought occurs to me that regardless of whether this is an actual event, a parable, or an allegorical teaching, what you have is Jesus the Christ and God speaking about the nature of what happens after we die in a deceitful way…. IF soul sleep is the truth. If when we die, we go into the ground and our soul is placed on pause, then our God lied to us in teaching this story in this way.
I was raised SDA and the state of the dead is something I’ve struggled with after leaving the church.
Upon rereading this teaching from Jesus, this is what I have come away with. Believing that the ONLY infallible source of truth is Jesus and everything He said and taught is 💯 truth, whether I understand it or not, I can not believe that He would ever intentionally mislead us in ANY way!

[Stefan-X]

Merriam-Webster:
Allegory (noun) - a symbolic representation.
Q: What is the difference between an allegory and a metaphor?
A: Allegory us the expression of truths or generalization about human existence...
It encompasses such forms as fable and parable.

[dennoggi]

How would you explain a loving God seeing his creatures burning in hell for eternity? Where is hell going to be located? How would you explain these Bible verses Jude 1:7; 2Peter 2:6; Malachi 4:1, 3; Revelation 20: 9-10 in regard to burning in hell forever?

[SusanEpp-qc]

I believe the story is literal and really happened to a man named Lazarus.