Explaining the Nicene Creed, with Clark Carlton

Clark Carlton discusses the concept of creeds and their importance, breaks down the Nicene Creed point by point through all 12 articles, discusses whether or not Protestants can *actually* believe the Nicene Creed, even if they think they do, and more!

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[shovelleator]

35 years ago I asked my then Baptist pastor if Baptists were not credal then how does one define a Baptist? He replied we all know what we believe as Baptists to which I then said well you are credal then otherwise you wouldn’t know what you are. He just smirked and didn’t really answer- he knew precisely what I meant.Fast forward and my wife and children have been Orthodox for 25 years. And we’ve never looked back to the dog’s vomit - all mixed up and unrecognisable as the food it once was.
It was the epistemic certainty of Orthodoxy that gutted my Protestant presuppositions

[Greg_the_Berean]

These talks are so helpful and very much appreciated. Thank you both, and God bless.

[michaelbarber]

Best explanation in a discussion I have heard, thank you!

[LBBspock]

It would have been interesting to hear Clark's thoughts regarding "corrective baptism". I'm not sure if what he said about baptism outside of the church was a way of insinuating affirmation for the practice or if he does not take a position on it at the present time.

[Alex-gxmb]

When discussing the names of God, we inevitably conclude that not one of them can give us a complete idea of who He is. To speak of the attributes of God is to discover that their sum total is not God. God transcends any name. If we call Him being, He transcends being, He is supra-being. If we ascribe to Him righteousness and justice, in His love He transcends all justice. If we call Him love, He is much more than human love: He is supra-love. God transcends all attributes that we are capable of ascribing to Him, be it omniscience, omnipresence or immutability. Ultimately we arrive at the conclusion that we can say nothing about God affirmatively: all discussion about Him remains incomplete, partial and limited. Finally we come to realize that we cannot say what God is, but rather what He is not . This manner of speaking about God has received the name of apophatic (negative) theology, as opposed to cataphatic (affirmative) theology.

[kgrant]

Chris was correct in the sense that the majority of all Christians say that they believe in the creed. I know that many Protestants are historically enough aware that they know this is important but what they end up doing is redefining the terms in the creed. They redefine what the church is so that they can affirm one holy Catholic and apostolic Church. They redefine one baptism as not being water baptism but something else. To me it seems disingenuous for them to do that but I understand they are between a rock and a hard place.

[speedysteve]

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